On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:39:13 +0000 (UTC)) it happened bob
prohaska  wrote in :

>>>Jan Panteltje  wrote:
>> Now as to the graphics driver, did I enable open GL (likely)?
>> Anybody know a simple way to check that without disturbing the system?
>
>I do not.

digging into memory I think I ticked the GL option..


>> So, and if the raspi foundation targets educational tools...
>> then they should stop that root fear, stop fucking up Unix,
>> provide a normal desktop, boot to the command line., etc etc ...
>> leave debian and get a cleaner Unix.
>>
>Well, you could always try FreeBSD 8-) Nothing for the Pi1, alas.
>Support starts with the Pi2, for example
>ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-
12.1-STABLE-arm-armv7-RPI2-20200312-r358888.img.xz

Considered that many times, my laptop runs Slackware normally,
panteltje20: ~ # uname -a
Linux panteltje20 2.6.37.6 #3 SMP Sat Apr 9 22:49:32 CDT 2011 x86_64 Intel(R)
Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

Can now boot in ubuntu, debian, slackware..
old slackware version, 2011, everything works, including seamonkey...
and all the stuff I wrote.
 much is compiled from source

>>From my own experience server performance is fine, GUI is not yet
satisfactory.
>Thus my interest in Raspbian.



>> Where will it go?
>>
>No idea, but the ride is interesting.

In this universe there is always a price point, a 'Small cheap Linux computer
with I/O' is
OK as target, but before you have it all up and running you need cables, power
adaptor, housing,
SDcard, you are closer to lemme see I payed 113 Euro including tax for a rp4
starter kit at sossolutions.nl.

That DVB-T2 receiver
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/173920120323
has build in power supply for 230 V, has a 12V socket so you can also run it
from battery,
has metal housing, comes with cables, and all that for 24$ including tax.
Needs no SDcard, and it seems to run Linux, comes with a remote control too.
Only thing is that you cannot program it, you could hack it.
From a design and economics POV adding a big FLASH memory and keyboard not a
remote would keep it below 40$ I think.
China mass production sure, but raspis are also mass produced....
So it seems the raspi foundation is maybe pricing itself out of the market.
I have considered hacking that Chinese DVB-T2 thing to fix the multi-channel
audio issue (clearly needs a firmware fix,
maybe already fixed as the thing comes in ever new versions for the same ebay
item number, mine is a bit different)
but other more interesting things to do than watch Dutch TV, but not everybody
can hack firmware...

Are we buying a 'name' with raspberry?
Yes have considered free BSD, but it would need a lot of time getting
acquainted with it I think.
So I am into PIC micro controllers, cost nothing, no boot-up time, no power
consumption. And no Linux.
No browser either but I have plenty of PCs for web surfing around.
An other very important aspect of the PIC micros is almost zero weight,
important if you play with drone software:
   http://panteltje.com/panteltje/quadcopter/index.html

So, nothing wrong with my Pi4, happy with it, web surfing great too, but the
price point of a working system is high.
Shops are making cool money on the cables, boxes, all sort of stuff you need to
get it going, 'non-standard' is always better ;-)

China could put a compatible thing in a box complete with cables plus SDcard
plus WiFi keyboard and power supply for < 40 Euro...
I would buy one. Whether they call it orange or avocado or banana I do not
care.
Something for the raspi club to think about.

Made in the UK by Sony? Jobs, corona, hard to tell.
can go both ways, incredible inflation (as happened before WW2 in Germany), WW3
(as WW2 happened after the big stock market collapse)
in fact we seem to be facing a biological war scenario, maybe El PreCedent gave
that same laboratory that made the HIV virus
the order to make corona, and had it exported to China, he is stupid enough not
to listen to people that would tell him it would hit the whole world
and hit him back....
Same scenario as global 'nuculear' war :-)
A milder scerario would be his tariffs forced the poor Chinese to eat infected
animals, same result.

This conversation happened in sci.electronics.design in 2017
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On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Oct 2017 23:56:11 -0400) it happened rickman
 wrote in :

>Jan Panteltje wrote on 10/23/2017 5:39 AM:
>> On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:42:27 -0400) it happened krw@notreal.com
>> wrote in :
>>
>>> As long as you're forgetting...  Don't forget the GWC (Government
>>> Welfare Complex).  It dwarfs them all.
>>
>> Especially when you realize the MIC is part of that,
>> it just keeps people in jobs that produce useless 'weapons',
>> and pays them with tax money.
>> While it would be better if they were fixing roads, waterways, and other
infrastructure.
>> Same cost, more peace, less enemies, less dead bodies.
>
>But it can only happen if we can get everyone to do it.  What do you think
>the chances of that are?

Chances are bigger it is all nuked flat and trumpy will draft you to rebuild.

Burning dollars will be used to keep you warm.
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So now 'trumpy' is using the army, basically that same scene, I did read it
from his brain.
Old song by the Nobel price winner Bob Dylan:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmI_FT4YHU
 'I can see through you brain like I can see through the water that flows down
my drain

But I NEVER expected the idiot to start a biological war, expected nuclear.

Just to stay on topic to us.politics.

;-)

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