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to: john w
from: gaffo
date: 2007-03-28 03:37:08
subject: Re: Will those who pray to Jesus go to hell?

From: "gaffo" 

john w wrote:


> I am going to ASSUME that you meant that if Jehovah is God, then Jesus
> Christ cannot be God.


ok




> To which I would answer, "You don't understand the Bible teaching
> regarding Who God is."





there is no "bible teaching" there are books of the bible -
plural, many are not in conformity to each other.




> The Bible is VERY clear that Jehovah / Yahweh / Yhwh is God (Father).



Agreed.



> The Bible is equally clear that Jesus Christ is God the Father in
> human form.



not. in fact there is only one book in the bible that claims such: John.
the other 33 or so books in the bible make no such claim.


some - like maybe 6 or 7 offer ambiguity on the matter - niether ya nor
nay. such as Matthew and Luke.

Pauls works are clear enough: Jesus is God's Son - period. Not God, but his Son.

And Mark makes no such claim of Jesus as God or God's Son - just a mortal
man. BTW James and Luke make no claims of divinity toward Jesus either - he
is a Man and no God in these books.






> What You seem to be saying is that God MUST exist in THIS form ____,
> but He CANNOT exist in THAT form _____.
> I submit to you that All powerful God (Yhwh/Jehovah/ Elohim / Jesus
> Christ ) can exist in whatever form He pleases.  I submit that He can
> also exist in multiple forms AT THE SAME TIME.





of course. but the Scriptures do not claim this has occured.






> If you do not believe that God can CHOOSE to exist as Father in
> Heaven, Holy Spirit indwelling believers, AND as the Son,
> your god is too small.


irrelivant. only relivance here is what Scripture says: and it says that
three things depending upon which Book you read.

Man

Son of God

God


- but ONLY in John does it claim all three above!






> Christians believe (and scripture teaches) that God in the Holy Spirit
> can and does dwell WITHIN each believer. He lives within me, He lives
> within my brother, He lives within my pastor, He lives within the
> dozens of elders I know.
> That means that God's Holy Spirit co-exists in dozens (actually in
> MILLIONS) of different people in different places all at the same
> time.






Bible generally agrees with this assesment. One's Conscience has been
called the product of the Holy Spirit.





> If God therefore, has the POWER and ability to exist AT THE SAME TIME
> in 100 MILLION different people, then God has the power to ALSO dwell
> in Heaven at the same time.





of course.





> In that way, when Jesus was baptized, God was able to speak "This is
> my beloved Son" from heaven, and at the SAME time, God was able to
> descend from the Heavens (while remaining in Heaven) and to alight on
> Jesus (the Son) in the form of the Holy Spirit.



the above in on way "proves" the concept of the Trinity - it only
illustates the events of Jesus' baptism - nothing more.



>
> "Your god is too small."
>
> john w




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