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| subject: | Re: Will those who pray to Jesus go to hell? |
From: "gaffo" john w wrote: > I am going to ASSUME that you meant that if Jehovah is God, then Jesus > Christ cannot be God. ok > To which I would answer, "You don't understand the Bible teaching > regarding Who God is." there is no "bible teaching" there are books of the bible - plural, many are not in conformity to each other. > The Bible is VERY clear that Jehovah / Yahweh / Yhwh is God (Father). Agreed. > The Bible is equally clear that Jesus Christ is God the Father in > human form. not. in fact there is only one book in the bible that claims such: John. the other 33 or so books in the bible make no such claim. some - like maybe 6 or 7 offer ambiguity on the matter - niether ya nor nay. such as Matthew and Luke. Pauls works are clear enough: Jesus is God's Son - period. Not God, but his Son. And Mark makes no such claim of Jesus as God or God's Son - just a mortal man. BTW James and Luke make no claims of divinity toward Jesus either - he is a Man and no God in these books. > What You seem to be saying is that God MUST exist in THIS form ____, > but He CANNOT exist in THAT form _____. > I submit to you that All powerful God (Yhwh/Jehovah/ Elohim / Jesus > Christ ) can exist in whatever form He pleases. I submit that He can > also exist in multiple forms AT THE SAME TIME. of course. but the Scriptures do not claim this has occured. > If you do not believe that God can CHOOSE to exist as Father in > Heaven, Holy Spirit indwelling believers, AND as the Son, > your god is too small. irrelivant. only relivance here is what Scripture says: and it says that three things depending upon which Book you read. Man Son of God God - but ONLY in John does it claim all three above! > Christians believe (and scripture teaches) that God in the Holy Spirit > can and does dwell WITHIN each believer. He lives within me, He lives > within my brother, He lives within my pastor, He lives within the > dozens of elders I know. > That means that God's Holy Spirit co-exists in dozens (actually in > MILLIONS) of different people in different places all at the same > time. Bible generally agrees with this assesment. One's Conscience has been called the product of the Holy Spirit. > If God therefore, has the POWER and ability to exist AT THE SAME TIME > in 100 MILLION different people, then God has the power to ALSO dwell > in Heaven at the same time. of course. > In that way, when Jesus was baptized, God was able to speak "This is > my beloved Son" from heaven, and at the SAME time, God was able to > descend from the Heavens (while remaining in Heaven) and to alight on > Jesus (the Son) in the form of the Holy Spirit. the above in on way "proves" the concept of the Trinity - it only illustates the events of Jesus' baptism - nothing more. > > "Your god is too small." > > john w -- --- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag* Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) SEEN-BY: 633/267 5030/786 @PATH: 261/38 123/500 379/1 633/267 |
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