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echo: philos
to: CLARENCE HOGAN
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-01-18 09:49:00
subject: Universe Revealed

 >>> Clarence Hogan on Universes [2/2] 
 CH> The universe
 CH> is a well oiled, fine tuned, well balanced assimilation of created
 CH> particles or atoms, if you wish and living micro organisms which
 CH> react and inner act with each other in a pre-programmed fashion by
 CH> the basic governing laws of the universe that were instituted before
 CH> the beginning of creation and which they are unable to deviate from in
 CH> any fashion or instance! 
Then explain the discoveries of uncertainty, chaos, undecidability and 
uncomputability.  Also explain free will.
 CH> And such precision could NOT have come 
 CH> about by any such "Big Bang" explosion as some have postulated!
Precision?  Every scientific measurement includes a range of error.
 CH> For are we not able to see with our own eyes and mind the unerring
 CH> workings of the universe that it was designed to work in from the
 CH> beginning of it's conception and that there has been no deviation
 CH> for the last 6000 years of men's observance of it and therefore
 CH> since we do see a design in it, it had to have had a designer, right?
Ancient conjecture of the ages.
 CH> To try and give you another view of the universe, just look at your
 CH> own body, does it not operate on the same exact principle and design
 CH> and does it not complete it's appointed tasks just as it has been
 CH> programed to do, and yet it does not think, now does it?
Is the subconscious or consciousness detached from the body?
 CH> As to where a man is when he is asleep, from what has been said
 CH> between us to this point, IMHO he would have to be at rest from the
 CH> chaos that you have been speaking about and unless his mind is active
 CH> in the  process of dreaming, he is truly in nothingness and complete
 CH> rest while his body is busy making repairs to the chaos that he
 CH> himself has created within his system and slowly bringing itself back
 CH> to peak health and efficiency!  Whatdaya' think?
 WE> I think you get the idea of a nulliverse. 
 CH> If what I have described is what you call a nulliverse, then I am
 CH> beginning to follow your line of thinking to a point!  It was just
 CH> about all that I could logically come up with from what you have
 CH> stated so far!
But note the nulliverse is more than sleep.
 
 CH> Why not ask unanswerable questions?  If one does not ponder what
 CH> seems to be impossible, how will he ever know that it is truly
 CH> impossible? Are not all things possible to those who use their heads
 CH> for something besides a hat rack?  Explain just how something can come
 CH> from nothing! Explain how life can come from non-life!
						The Improbable Universe
	The universe came into being by quantum uncertainty.  The probability of an 
universe appearing out of nowhere is zero.  Because of uncertainty, that 
probability is not exact.  Yet with infinite patience, a micro-probable event 
will happen.  So there is no absolute assurance that only nothing comes out 
of nothing.  Thus, this extremely improbable phenomena, the universe.
	Now whose in charge?  An electron for the presiding president of the present 
universe?  Yes, who will be president of the universe?  The uncertainty 
principal?  Ah so, everybody's destiny.
 
 WE> Do what thou wilt, be the whole of the law.  ---Crowley(sp.?)
 CH> Exactly, do what thou wilt, BUT be prepared to pay the consequences
This is a statement of whole heartedness, not one of wantonness
 CH> of your actions if they are contrariwise to the immutable basic laws
 CH> of the universe, correct?  But what are those laws you say?  That
 CH> my friend is exactly what we are here for...to seek them out and
 CH> learn to obey them so that we may eventually live a long and 
 CH> prosperous beneficial life, for ignorance of the law is no excuse!
186,000 miles per second is not only a good idea, it's the law.
... Skip the truth, just get to the facts.
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