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echo: zcc-public
to: Robert Bashe
from: Ward Dossche
date: 2004-05-31 12:50:42
subject: Re: Opening up of ZZ

Dear Bob,

 > But all you seem to 
 > be able to do is point fingers and try to smear the 
 > other side to gain support with your own people. 

I'm sitting in the ZCC-conference waiting for grand things to happen.

 > WD> I am and remain in favour of the openness.
 > 
 > You present postings contradict that.

That certainly then explains why Malcolm is pissed at me and Renato for
¨making ZCC-material available.

I've never seen a conference dry-up so fast as ZCC after the reality of the
¨crossposting caught on.

 > WD> For the moment I cannot
 > WD> handle "read only" material except on an 
 > WD> honour-basis which has worked
 > WD> for years in REGCON.EUR.
 > 
 > Regcon.eur has been as good as empty for many months.

The 'honour system', Bob, worked and works flawless.

 > You aren't the only one who would move ZCC.
 > 
 > And if you try to keep ZCC secret, "promising" to export 
 > all messages to ZCC-PUBLIC, who's going to believe you 
 > at this stage?

Janis Kracht would jump on it the first moment she saw fit. That is the ¨guarantee.

 > You've undermined your own credibility 
 > with your wild swings in recent postings, and I'm not 
 > talking only about your credibility with your opponents, 
 > but with your  friends as well.

"Friends" are "friends" ... they need a bit more than
silly mails to sway. ¨If it were to depend to Fidonet only then these
easily swayable individuals ¨are not "friends".

Besides, who else is complaining except yourself, some apparent Helmut
¨Hullen worshipper and the less than a handful (like in 2 or 3) diehards? 

Just accept that it has all become rather irrelevant.

 > Translation: since my system can't handle read-only 
 > echos, I don't want any and nobody can make me change.

Absolutely not what you fabricate. Just:

"I cannot handle one-way traffic therefore it is either 2-way or
no-way. In ¨the latter case crossposting is the next best thing".

Are you so desperate to score you need to put words in my mouth which were
¨never there? Just as Malcolm did in his last message inhere? Just as
Richard ¨Peer did in ZCC? Just as Janis did in ASIAN_LINK?

And I need to trust these people and find a compromise? Aw c'mon ... ;-)

Take care,

Ward  

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