>>> Clarence Hogan on Universes [1/2] 
 WE> Definitely wrong.  I refer you to Godel's Incompleteness theorem and
 WE> the work done by Turning and Post on recursiveness and effective
 WE> computability.  They have also showed that there are questions, which
 WE> if true, can be determined in finite time, but which if false will
 WE> take forever to determine. 
 CH> 
 CH> OK, but ya' dun either when way over my head or dropped so low that
 CH> I can't make heads or tails of it and I must report that I have never
 CH> read the people that you speak of here, however, as far as the
 CH> universe is concerned and the speculations of it's origin and other
 CH> speculations are no more than just that...speculations IMHO!
The above mathematicians weren't speculating, they were proving theorems, 
theorems about statements that can be neither proven nor disproved and sets 
of numbers impossible to compute.
 CH> ifin we had the full knowledge of the origin and workings of the 
 CH> do you truly think that we would be capable universe, of creating one? 
Likely not.  'Tis but speculation that there is any complete blueprint.
 CH> You could say that I suppose, however, it is MHO that the universe
 CH> is more akin to a robot and has no thinking abilities and can only
 CH> do what it has been programed to do, whatdaya' think!  How can you
 CH> even suggest such an assumption, much less assume it?  Please 
 CH> elaborate a little sum more!  :)
The universe contains people that, by assumption think.  Therefore it has the 
thinking abilities of those people, most likely numerous extraterrestrial 
thinkers about whom I can not elaborate.  If the universe does have the 
thinking abilities as enumerated above, then people and extraterrestrials are 
not part of the universe.
 
 CH> In my own logical horse sense way, I believe that I have a basic
 CH> grasp of the universe and given the distinct possibility that all
 CH> universes (if there are indeed others) are brothers of kin, then
 CH> they would/could also be understood, would you not think?  For even
 CH> if they were exact opposites of each other, would they not mirror
 CH> each other in most every respect?
You understand the mere mote of human existence.  You have no experience with 
any other universes.  Your conjecture is unfounded.
 
 Sp> Describe the universe in 500 words or less and name 2 examples.
 CH> Hummmmm, where did this come from and who is "Sp>"?
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 CH> And just why not, did I not just speak of another universe which is
 CH> but a mirror image of this one, for even if there were billions of
 CH> other universes, would they not all be of the same kindred fashion
 CH> and all work on the same basic principles of the same immutable laws?
Speculation and conjecture all.  The best mirror image universe is one just 
like ours but with anti-matter replacing all the matter and matter replacing 
the small motes of anti-matter.  Hindu mythology declares that the god Vishnu 
sleeping upon the ocean of existence dreams of innumerable Brahmas each 
creating his own universe.
 
... I think, therefore the universe thinks.
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