From: stumper 

Pinch wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2:29 pm, stumper  wrote:
>> Pinch wrote:
>>> On Mar 26, 11:19 am, stumper  wrote:
>>>> Pinch wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 25, 10:19 pm, stumper
 wrote:
>>>>>> Richo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2:22 am, stumper
 wrote:
>>>>>>>> satyr wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:48:16 -0400,
stumper 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> satyr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:58:00
-0400, stumper 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> satyr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007
19:18:44 -0400, stumper

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conscious
supreme being who created the universe and is likely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipotent and
omniscient.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee, you are such
a traditionalist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still good enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that
we don't have to be a physicalist here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would call myself a
materialist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by 'being'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Entity, unit, item. 
The term is general.  The importance lies in
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifiers (conscious,
supreme) and the further description.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is God directly or
indirectly observable by humans?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because he does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should God be observable to exist?
>>>>>>>>>>> No, but he must exist to be observable.
>>>>>>>>>> Does the universe exist?
>>>>>>>>> Yes, we can observe it.
>>>>>>>>>> What if God is the universe and some?
>>>>>>>>> I do not believe the universe has
consciousness and therefore does
not
>>>>>>>>> meet my definition of God, although
maybe it fits yours.
>>>>>>>>> If they are the same, then I submit
that using the word "God" is
>>>>>>>>> superfluous and confusing.  The fact
is that most religions make a
>>>>>>>>> distinction between God and his
alleged creation.
>>>>>>>>>> Do we still have to prove that God exists?
>>>>>>>>> Not if you are going to define God
down to some inanimate object we
>>>>>>>>> know to exist.  I know God exists, I
flushed Him down the toilet this
>>>>>>>>> morning.
>>>>>>>>> If you want to prove the God of my
definition exists, then you have
to
>>>>>>>>> show him to me or prove that the
universe has consciousness.  Good
>>>>>>>>> luck.
>>>>>>>> "Conscious supreme being who created
the universe
>>>>>>>> and is likely omnipotent and omniscient"?
>>>>>>>> Conscious of everything all at once always?
>>>>>>>> Do you think that is possible?
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>> What if God is everything there ever was,
>>>>>>>> is, will be, and some more?
>>>>>>>> It does exist by definition, doesn't it?
>>>>>>> If you say "God is this small blue marble
in my hand" and you are
>>>>>>> holding a small blue marble in your hand at
the time you say it  then
>>>>>>> "God" exists.
>>>>>>> You can name anything whatever you want - its
not interesting - it
>>>>>>> brings no new information or knowledge or
wisdom into the world - but
>>>>>>> you may certainly do it.
>>>>>>> WHY would you do it though?
>>>>>>> Cheers, Mark.
>>>>>> Do you trust your government?
>>>>>> What does it mean for you to trust your government?
>>>>>> Do it even exist?
>>>>>> How do you know that your government exists?
>>>>>> In what sense does your government exist?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ~Stumper
>>>>> Somebody please tell me this idiot really doesn't exist!!!
>>>> You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
>>> Repeating the same rant over and over again can be construed as SPAM.
>>> Rethink your (inane) position.
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> How many times you can say that God does not exist
>> before you are spamming?
>
> I never made such a declaration. But you're the one who insist he, she
> or it does exist, so where's the credible proof? Or, should I just
> deem your flagrant, baseless assertions SPAM?
>

Gee, I have been proposing all kinds of theories. More in just one week
than most people do in a year.

You don't seem to like any of them.

BTW
if God really does not exist,
why does anyone have to be an atheist?

--
~Stumper

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