++> On John Boone explorations of "Ideology vs. Philosophy
 
 JB> I disagree with Frank's position.  It is Frank's postion that
 JB> because we can't know the "ultimate truth", there are no "wins or
 JB> loses."  I do tend to agree, however, I separate this out from,
 JB> "loses."  IOW, the basis of true dialogue is to -lose or not lose-
 JB> a debate.  Please notice, this is different than -WIN or LOSE-.
 
     John, "true dialog" is essentially meaningless, it is good
     dialog that we might prize; and when it comes into being, both
     sides tend to recognize it as if the chemistry smiles. Most of
     the time we have to accept something some less but usually to
     learn from or teach something anyway. With some, good dialog
     it is not possible and with others it cannot be avoided. It is
     not so simple as just defining it "true dialog"!
 
 JB> This concept is borrowed from science.   What science has
 JB> allowed to us to say, is what is -not true-.  IOW, science
 JB> has said, the earth is not the center of the universe and
 JB> notice, any new theory, Coperician, Keplar, Newton, Einstein,
 JB> etc, at no point contradicts the NOTS of previous theorys,
 JB> earth is the center of the universe.
 
     John in my younger days of ORs, NORs, ANDs, & NANDs,
     logic was king .....In my now elder moments, all is
     relative in a mist of "changeling" views. Now knowing
     that knowledge bases, life experiences, and styles of
     thinking, carry us through different strata of awareness,
     I ever more realize the awesome difficulty of mind sharing.
     I believe we have both taught each other, if little else,
     some bit of patience-
          ...............not really a bad ledge to begin from!
 
                         (-@@-) ... Dave
 
      P.S. Maybe in a year or so we might even take up "LIBERAL"
           & "CONSERVATIVE" again 
 
 
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