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echo: philos
to: TODD HENSON
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-01-17 22:33:00
subject: Existence exists

 >>> Todd Henson on Existence exists 
 TH> If there was ever a point in which nothing at all existed (no
 TH> universe, no God, no forces or laws to bring any universe/continuum
 TH> into existence), then would anything ever exist?
 
 WE> The Improbable Universe
 WE> The universe came into being by quantum uncertainty.  The probability
 WE> of an universe appearing out of nowhere is zero.  Because of
 WE> uncertainty, that probability is not exact.  Yet with infinite
 WE> patience, a micro-probable event will happen.  So there is no absolute
 WE> assurance that only nothing comes out of nothing.  Thus, this
 WE> extremely improbable phenomena, the universe. 
 TH> You didn't fully understand the depth of the question. The question
 TH> addressed a hypothetical situation in which there was absolutely
 TH> *nothing* in existence at all - no matter, energy, God or gods,
 TH> universe, multiverse, forces, properties, universal laws, etc. Quantum
 TH> uncertainty is a property of reality. The question assumed the complete
 TH> absence of any kind of reality and such properties.
In that case the hypothetical 'point in which nothing at all existed' could 
not be included for consideration, so your question disintegrates.
... In no time at all time began for its time had come.
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