Hyerdahl wrote:
> Turin wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
> > > > On 21 Mar 2005 06:35:37 -0800, "Hyerdahl"

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
> > > > >
> > > (edit)
> > > > >Cause and effect holds true here, Dave Sim.  If you don't
> > > > >educate >folks as to how to prevent pregnancies and STDs,
children
> > > will be harmed by what they DON'T know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Folks already know how to prevent pregnancies and STDs, Puke.
> > > >
> > > > The young people know how babies are made, but they may not
know
> > how
> > > to prevent
> > > baby making or STD transfer.  That's why they should be educated
so
> > > they will not
> > > be harmed.>Remaining celebate may be one way to stop pregnancy
and
> > STDs
> > > but it's one of many ways.  And shouldn't our youth be >armed.
> > > >
> > > (edit of the irrelevant)
> > > >
> > > > >> In the first place, you're always boasting about how
powerful
> > and
> > > > >> united female voters are - so how could it be
that "Fundy
Bush"
> > > has
> > > > >> been elected to two terms in the first place?
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not sure why Fundy Bush was elected, but I'd
hate to blame
it
> > on
> > > > >the >abject stupidity of the American people. 
:-)   And that
he
> > was
> > > elected
> > > > >did not really give him a mandate, since just under
1/2 of the
> > > American
> > > > >voters did NOT vote for him.  That means that many
people will
> > > object
> > > > >to>what he does on a regular basis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But you didn't answer my question.
> > > >
> > > Sure I did.
> > >
> > > If Bush is anti-woman and if women are all powerful and united,
how
> > > > could he have been elected twice?
> > >
> > > He was only elected once, by the majority of the voters.  And not
all
> > > women
> > > may understand just how anti-woman the Republican party is.
> > > >
> > > > >> In the second place, what does he have to do with teens
> > lifestyle
> > > > >> choices?  If teens make a pledge to abstain
from pre-marital
sex
> > > and
> > > > >> then don't live up to that pledge, how is that
the fault of
any
> > > > >> politician?
> > > > >
> > > Causing harm to kids by omission is just as bad as by comission.
The
> > > "fault" is in NOT providing alternate resources
for our children
to
> > > > >be able to avoid teen pregnancy and STDS.  It's a bit like
> > > suggesting
> > > > >that
> > > > >crowds of starving people could avoid hunger if
they were told
to
> > > eat
> > > > >something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What could the President of the United States give young people
to
> > do
> > > > that they can't already to on their own?
> > > >
> > > He could stop being stupid and learn to speak as if he really
were an
> > > educated person, and then he
> > > might try avoiding progress by sticking his head in the sand,
> > > pretending that kids really will just say no.  It didn't work for
> > Nancy
> > > Regan either.
> > >
> > > > There are a lot of things that young people can do instead of
> > making
> > > > the beast with two backs, Puke.  They can go to the library and
do
> > > > their homework.  They can join any number of civic groups or
school
> > > > activities.  They can pick up a book.  I'm just scratching the
> > > > surface.
> > > >
> > > > You amaze me, Puke.
> > >
> > > I'm not surprised you'd be amazed at throw up Dave Sim;  you;re
so
> > > easily amused.
> >
> >
> > So, How many people does this Dave Sim masquerade as, Hyerdahl?
>
> He has quite a few cockpuppets, IMO.  Impossible to know; he appears
to
> spend most of his time here, now that his cartooning options are
> limited.
> The cocks I've identified are TS Ellis, and Grizz, and he has a
couple
> of female pretenders.


You're probably right.  Soc.men has consisted of the same (few) basic
people for years now, constantly rotating their aliases.  ...Same hokey
personalities, same non-views, same predictable responses under every
one.


> > I already knew that Greasy Asswipe was just another consumer news
> > parakeet - to which the Sim dork would probably seem to fit - but,
I
> > also remember you sticking the Sim name onto Jayne K, too.
>
> Yes.  Jayne too.
> >
> >
> > Is he, like, a hermaphrodite.....?
> >
> No.  If he were, he wouldn't be such an insipied asswipe.  He simply
> was mortally wounded by his ex-wife and never recovered from his own
> ill-applied sexism, in my unprofessional opinion.  BTW, don't you
find
> that Bush is fighting religious fundamentalism abroad while embracing
> it at home?


Yeah, definitely.  There is no ideological difference between
conservatives and liberals.  I've always said this.  It's true on
gender issues, and it's true on religious issues.  The two party system
is simply a middle class vs. working class debate, to the benefit of
the rich and the detriment of the poor.


The working class and the middle class were longstanding enemies who
were both liberal democrats, politically.  The working class hated the
middle class because they typically worked for them as unionized manual
laborers.  They saw them as snobby, pencil-pushing elitists.  The
Republicans wooed the working class by playing on this.  They blurred
the distinctions between middle and working, and started treating them
like the middle.

Today's neocon mindlessly follows his greater class enemy for no other
reason or remuneration than to thumb his nose at his lesser class
enemy.  The Republicans have given him just a lot of talk for his
support.  While he rests on the evaporating accomplishments of his
liberal fore-fathers, Republicans like Bush haven't even fulfilled
their number one ideological promise to him of cutting his taxes.

Joe Middle Class Republican, who inherited most of what he got from the
old union days, doesn't care, though.  He's enjoying himself too much
by taking refuge in the blame game.  He won't open his eyes until he
has blithely handed over every last hard fought, and won, gain and
right that put him where he is now - from where he is able to now talk
so big against his hated true middle class rivals.


When the con has finally lost its veneer, and Joe is finally shown one
door to the street too many, Bush - or whoever - isn't going to care
for him as his base.  The rich are the Republicans' base.  Always were.
 The working class never were.  Republican's will simply update
"terrorist" profiles to include white male office workers who go
postal.

And, when Joe's eyes finally do pop open he may also start noticing
their mutual support for other so-called "liberal" ideas like "anger
management".

Before Bush, a canard like "hate" was considered a presumptuous
intrusion which was the domain of the "thought police".  But, Bush is
up there using it all the time.  And, that's not the only one, either.
Especially, where Men's Issues are impacted.  However, no discernible
peeping can be heard emanating from the neocons, on these waffles.


Conservative issues are all, basically, strawmen issues.......




> > - - -
> >
> > This has been another bourgeois weirdo moment, with...
> >
> > Turin
> >
> >
> > I have such sites to show you...
> > ------------------------
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > ------------------------
> >
> > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth,
or
> > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
shall
> > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> >
> > -----
> >
> >
> > > > Here you always are going on and on and on about how powerful
and
> > > > independent women and girls are.  And how they're doing
EVERYTHING
> > > > that men and boys are doing.
> > >
> > > That is all true.  They are indeed.
> > > >
> > > > And now, you say that nobody of either gender can do anything
at
> > all
> > > > without guidance from the White House.
> > > >
> > > I don't think anyone in their right mind EXPECTS
"guidance" from
this
> > > particular White House.
> > > Do you?  OTOH, what they fail to do is being noticed, and I'd say
> > > that's good for all concerned.
> > >
> > > >
>



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