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 dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
>  (mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com) writes:
> > greg1...{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> >> bluesmama wrote:
> >
> >> > guy's limits were, as far as how far he was willing to compromise
> >> > himself in order to (possibly)laid? Frankly, a guy I can walk all
> >> > over is not a guy I'd want to date twice,
> >>
> >> Ah hah!!  Such refreshing honesty.
> >
> > Not totally.
>
> Indeed.
>
> > She says she didn't want wimps but at the same time wanted
> > guys who caved into her demands.
> >
> > Does this make a lot of sense?
>
> No, but neither does the ideological underpinning of sexist
> "bluesmama"'s views make any more sense.

Let's give her some credit however: Her views work.
At least for now.

She's got her fantasy world, it works for her, and I respect it.

Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe that's why it works:
She sounds as if she didn't date a very long time.
If she had, and had dealt with a number of men, she
would then start to develop all kinds of special
negative interpretations and suspicians making it
impossible for them to appease her (assuming they would
want to.)

The first or second guy who came along with the Joe "sensitive but
self-confident" act won her heart.  After a dozen dates or
so, such women quickly start to doubt the sincerity
of anything they do.  Is the "sensitive" act fake
or is it the "confident" part?  She may not have had
time to develop suspicians.

I'm reminded of people who went crazy in the former USSR
as they began to suspect EVERYTHING around them because
as it turned out, such paranoia often turned out to
be correct.  It's so good to be young...

> > Later, Parg says she wants equal treatment but at the same
> > time wants men to prevent her from running around with
> > scissors lest she hurt others.
> >
> > Basically, the women want a fantasy world where they're
> > both adults and children.  They want men to lie to them.
>
> " Tell me lies, sweet little lies... "
>
> Lets not forget " Honey, do these jeans make my ass look fat ? "
>
> > (Of course, except for Bluesmomma's husband.  Her husband
> > would NEVER lie to her.  He said so so it must be true. :-)
>
> LOL ! Yes, pussywhipped males might behave that way, just as a
> slave would, around it's slavemaster.

What's funny is how these men often overcompensate with their
"maucho man" act.   Rumored "short man's syndrome" appears
minor by comparison.

> >> > I prefer a man with a strong sense of
> >> > himself and some firm boundaries. It's hard to have any
respect for
> >> > someone who, instead of being assertive (not aggressive,
that would
> >> > turn me off too, unless it was in the right situation, but let's
> >> > not go
> >
> > I want to say bullshit but she has a half point.
> >
> > I have told women off on dates and some of them got into
> > the bad boy routine.  But then, I lived in the awful
> > world of trying to guess which fantasy they needed at the time:
> > The prince or the barbarian.
> >
> > I believe it was GoddessBaybee who said that men having sex
> > with prostitutes were having a masturbatory experience.
> > Yet, such women want men to provide romance fantasies which
> > are equally absurd and unfulfilling for the men before
> > she puts out.  At least the prostitute retains some dignity
> > compared to these apologetic slobs who must walk a fine
> > line of "respecting" the woman but watching out for her tests.
>
> Quite. The key difference is that the Honest Woman, and the
> Hooker, both reward truth. The Feminist woman rewards lies.

Oftentimes, not even then.

The point of the "asker pays begging for future dates" model
is that the guy doesn't get anything other than the pleasure
of groveling in her presence (and pretending, of course,
not to be a wuss. :-)

I've observed that some of these marriages and relationships
last for years.  I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.
When does she wake up one morning, maybe, and say
"I need to go "find" myself" and the poor bastard doesn't
have a clue how to play a new game she needs.
Who needs that?

> That difference tells us much about the Life Values of the
> Feminist...
>
> >> No matter how many women mislead us as to what they want, there will
> >> always be a few who tell the real story.
> >>
> >> The moral, gentlemen?  Stand your ground.  Be nice to yourself.  Let
> >> her storm off in a huff.  Eventually, you'll find one who doesn't
> >> storm off in a huff, or perhaps one who just wanted to see whether
> >> you hold yourself in high regard, as you should.
> >
> > Indeed.  Perhaps the most highest regard someone deserves is
> > how they treat others when nobody is looking.
>
> Quite.
>
> > There are women who think that the world should protect them
> > from themselves outside of the states but they
> > are usually regarded as immature, spoiled brats.
>
> Correctly, too.

It amazes the Poles that a woman could get millions for putting
a hot coffee cup between her legs.  Of course, that's
McD's fault for making hot coffee doncha know.  Look, a woman
threw her baby in front of a train!  Sue the train!

I only wish these darwin cases would be like the former
actor who played superman who jumped out of a window because
he thought he could fly!  Look, gals!  You can fly!
Don't let those sexist men tell you otherwise!!!!

> >> > there right now) was a passive man. Generally, passive people take
> >> > it and take it and then end up surprising everyone by
blowing up and
> >> > getting aggressive.
> >>
> >> As they say, "Beware the fury of the quiet man." 
Let me digress.
> >>
> >> There should be a similar saying.  "Beware the fury of the quiet
> > men."
> >> Erin Pizzey noted with great frustration that men don't defend
> >> themselves.  She should have followed that observation with
"yet."
> > All
> >> this feminist BS seems to roll off us like water off of ducks, but it
> >> doesn't.  Every feminazi insult rachets up the tension just a bit.
> >> Eventually, the beam will fail, and the walls will come down.  Any
> >> previous definition of "backlash" will be quickly outdated.
> >
> > They keep hearing that and they don't take it seriously.
> > I can't say I blame them.
> >
> > Then again, women wouldn't play so many of these games if
> > men were still the gentlemen of the past.  Bluesmomma claimed
> > that many men expect hookups.  So apparently, the barbarians
> > may be closer to the gates.
>
> Indeed. Men have seen, over the last 40 years, women behave as
> if their sex, and their use of their sexuality, was why they
> should get free stuff.
>
> So, when women teach men that women are whores, and poor ones,
> why should anyone be at all surprised that so many men *accept*
> what they've been taught ?
>>
> The amazing part of this, is that the 40ish professional women,
> who are without spouses and/or children, could tell these women
> that that method doesn't work.

Or not.  The first lesson feminism teaches young women
is that they're NEVER wrong.  If they're wrong, it's because
they're just TOO smart and intelligent.  They can fly!
They can fly!  :-)

Even worse, the next lesson they teach is that if their
fantasy isn't true, it can almost appear real if they
can get some groveling guys to tell them it is.
If the men don't get it, act bitchy until they do.

So it's like parents who spoil their children and train
them to be crybabies and miserable.  I actually know of
a father who took his 7 y/o son out to restaurants and
taught him to make noise and cry if the waitress was slow.

But using modern american woman logic, that's ok
since he got away with it.  It's the waitresses fault
so it's ok for him to do it.

> But, the hook up modern women's learning curve is a flat line...
>
> > ooga ooga,
> > Mark Sobolewski
>
> Andre

I think that many women learn much before they're 22 or so while
men tend to learn slower but for a longer period of time.
Nearly all the women I know tend to move much less often
than men and will stay in a rotten neighborhood or
with their families because it's comfortable to them.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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