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echo: crossfire
to: Bob Ackley
from: Mimi Gallandt
date: 2009-02-04 10:14:52
subject: Obama

Bob Ackley -> Bob Klahn wrote:
 BA> Replying to a message of Bob Klahn to Bob Ackley:

 BK>>>>  If that were true, why has the Israeli govt established that
 BK>>>>  they will not let those Palestinians return?

 BA>>> Way back when those folks could have moved back, they - or
 BA>>> more likely their parents, I suspect a huge majority of the
 BA>>> inhabitants of those camps have never lived in Israel -
 BA>>> chose not to.

 BK>>  Since there was no Israel before 1947, that was a given.

 BK>>  And how do you know they *CHOSE* not to?

 BA>>> The reason Israel won't let them back now is that those
 BA>>> folks have been radicalized and no country wants a bunch of
 BA>>> radicals intent on destroying it running around loose
 BA>>> within its borders.

 BK>>  Radicalized by being held in internment camps for 60 years? Do
 BK>>  you have some reason we should believe Israel was willing to let
 BK>> them back in back in 1949?

 BA> Yeah, the arabs that live peacefully in Israel *now*.  It seems to me that
 BA> the 'Palestinians' moved to get out of the way of the fighting -
 BA> remember that
 BA> it was the *armies* of Syria, Jordan and Egypt that were attacking.  They

You left out Lebanon and Iraq.

 BA> were advised by those states to move out of the way and they could move
 BA> back
 BA> after Israel was destroyed.  Of course, after the fighting stopped
 BA> Israel was
 BA> still there; had they not engaged in hostilities I don't see any reason
 BA> why they
 BA> could not have moved back if they *wanted* to.  Most didn't want to, and
 BA> their
 BA> arab brethren wouldn't let them integrate into their own societies.

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while
it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab
refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to
leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to
begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social
level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and
throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of
political purposes...."
- Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war


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