Replying to a message of Bob Klahn to Bob Ackley:

 BK>>>  Radicalized by being held in internment camps for 60 years? Do
 BK>>>  you have some reason we should believe Israel was willing to let
 BK>>> them back in back in 1949?

 BA>> Yeah, the arabs that live peacefully in Israel *now*.  It

 BK>  Those were not let back, they didn't leave. And some who
 BK>  chose not to leave were forced to.

 BA>> seems to me that the 'Palestinians' moved to get out of the
 BA>> way of the fighting - remember that it was the *armies* of
 BA>> Syria, Jordan and Egypt that were attacking.  They were

 BK>  Yes, I do remember. I also remember they were not armies of
 BK>  Palestinians.

 BK>  Now, to try to condemn those who fled the coming battles is a
 BK>  condemnation of Israel, even if you don't realize it. Before
 BK>  Israel attacked Lebanon they dropped leaflets in the border
 BK>  areas warning the Lebanese to leave. Then the Israeli Air Force
 BK>  attacked some of those fleeing.

 BK>  In Gaza just recently the Israelis warned the Palestinians to
 BK>  leave the areas under attack, even though they really didn't
 BK>  have anyplace to flee to.

 BK>  So, do you condemn those who fled at the warnings of Israel, or
 BK>  only those who fled at the warnings of Arab governments?

 BK>  Condemn both or condemn none.

 BA>> advised by those states to move out of the way and they
 BA>> could move back after Israel was destroyed.  Of course,

 BK>  Which is pretty much what Israel warned the inhabitants of their 
 BK> intended targets to do.

 BA>> after the fighting stopped Israel was still there; had they
 BA>> not engaged in hostilities I don't see any reason why they
 BA>> could not have moved back if they *wanted* to.  Most didn't

 BK>  You mean other than the fact that Israel would not let them?

 BA>> want to, and their arab brethren wouldn't let them
 BA>> integrate into their own societies.

 BK>  Why would they? After all, why didn't the western world
 BK>  integrate the Jews into their socities instead of making their
 BK>  home in a disputed land?

The surviving Eurpoean Jews didn't want to live there any more - for the
obvious reason.  They didn't want to migrate to the US, and their ancient
ancestral homeland was nearby - relatively speaking - so they went there.

Remember the Brits, who were in control of the area at the time, tried to
stop the Jews from migrating from Europe to Palestine but were unsuccessful.

While it's a slower process (most of that Jewish migration took place between 1945
and 1949), the same sort of migration is occurring from parts of Latin America to the
US, and from parts of the Middle East to Europe.  And neither the US nor
the European countries seem to be able to do much about it.

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