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echo: philos
to: DAY BROWN
from: DAVID MARTORANA
date: 1998-01-16 21:52:00
subject: up the mountain

 ++> Inspired by a Day Brown to Mark Bloss
 ++> blast of comments on somethings about "NOTHING"
 
   Love exploration! ...just take offence at finding anything!
 
 MB>  DB> Like my desktop computer, I tinker with my mind, trying to
 MB>  DB> get it run more smoothly- I have risked some serious crashes
 MB>  DB> in this endeavor, but the results of stressing the system to
 MB>  DB> limits teaches me more about it. Obviously not something to
 MB>  DB> recommend to anyone else; if you have another tool use it.
           \
             The pioneer ...and the poet
                                         \
 MB>  When you are able to muster the capability to see from underneath
 MB>  what is inside the quark, to realize how huge it actually is,
 MB>  and to see how small the universe is by comparison; to understand
 MB>  that the meaning of your own life is minor in relation to knowing
 MB>  the mechanism which _decided_ you must exist, to comprehend the
 MB>  majesty of the desert rose, and to grasp time in your fingers and
 MB>  make it hang in the air and smell of jasmine, when you can touch
 MB>  with your hands the breadth of space and to exhale life itself
 MB>  to a distant sphere - then your tools will have made you God,
 MB>  and you will know the fullness of being, and win the bet.
 
             ......a very nice sense of exploration!
 
  DB> I don't need to do it quite that way Mark, all I need to do is
  DB> increase the bandwidth so that I may draw on the mainframe
  DB> databank of God. I do not need to do all the research, I can
  DB> draw on his.  At the heart of the eastern mystic belief is the
  DB> idea that one can change oneself to open up this channel.  The
  DB> advantage of the computer is the metaphor it provides to
  DB> understand the whole process.
 
      ...bandwidth...?...databank...?...God...?...channel...?
 
                   .....There is knowing ....and there is KNOWING-
      and I toast the lonely mountain  /^\*  you climb!
 
  DB> Nor, do I need to limit my understanding by the limits on the
  DB> insight of the Biblical authors; there is also the vast collection
  DB> of the Greek, Persian, Egyptian, Sumerian, Hindu, Confucian...
  DB> Joseph Campbell has done a pretty good job of integrating all the
  DB> mythology, and tracing the evolution of myth has it's own clues.
 
     Yes, Joseph Campbell did integrate many of our "better fitting"
  mythologies, but the results infer absolutely nothing. Belief-y systems
  that sooth epic tribal concerns over time and circumstance are more
  like warm chicken soup than of meaning!  Name a single "clue", that,
  tracing the evolution of myths, has ever supplied value to anything
  but the pure fun of detective chase and satisfaction. Neither the
  Eastern "self-risen", the Christian-ish "Other risen" nor any extended
  champaign mythologies, has EVER supplied anything serious to make
  reason smile.
      Granting, that some ***CHOOSE*** to give myth meaning, I have no
  arguments against the "scratch satisfaction, if itchy". Even as hungry
  obsessions, in a host of forms, seems primal in much of human thought,
  collective or independent. It can all play well: AS-LONG-AS',,, the
 "feeding of appetite" is not masked over as the "dinner of insight" !!
                                __
    As a heavy hedonist, I     _@@_/^ ... Dave
    approve ...if its fun!    |   ... or tastes good.......!
                              ^_||_
      P.S. I do some occasional ***choosing myth*** myself 
--- Maximus/2 3.01
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* Origin: America's favorite whine - it's your fault! (1:261/1000)

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