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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Mar
2007 14:30:36 GMT, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Jeff North"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gawd also condones child sex - Lott and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
daughters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lott condoned, not God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I can hear the attorneys now... "Objection, Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Honor! It is a matter of record that Lot was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
intoxicated, and not of sound mind, nor in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
right mind at the time. Further, his condition --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
again a matter of record -- was caused by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
juvenile delinquents (erm, daughters) in question,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
whom deliberately and willfully took gross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
advantage of his emotional despondency (not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
mention his person) for their own hedonistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
purposes! Lot is the victim of this crime, not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
perpetrator!" Apparently, His Honor, agreed, for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lot did not die as a result of engaging in incest;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As mandated in Leviticus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Show where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ask
your preacher to finish the story of S&G for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't
show where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahhaha!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=19&versio
n=9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31And the
firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old, and there is
not a man in the earth to come in unto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us after the
manner of all the earth:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32Come, let us
make our father drink wine, and we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lie with him, that
we may preserve seed of our father.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33And they made
their father drink wine that night: and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the firstborn went
in, and lay with her father; and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perceived not when
she lay down, nor when she arose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 34And it came to
pass on the morrow, that the firstborn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said unto the
younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> father: let us
make him drink wine this night also; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go thou in, and
lie with him, that we may preserve seed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of our father.
35And they made their father drink wine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that night also:
and the younger arose, and lay with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him; and he
perceived not when she lay down, nor when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she arose. 36Thus
were both the daughters of Lot with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> child by their
father. 37And the first born bare a son,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and called his
name Moab: the same is the father of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moabites unto this
day. 38And the younger, she also bare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a son, and called
his name Benammi: the same is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> father of the
children of Ammon unto this day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "...and he
perceived not when she lay down, nor when she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arose...." He was
raped.  While unconscious.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about the story for
a moment...  There he was, drunk
>>>>>>>>>>>> on his ass, unconscious,
or at most semi-conscious, yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy, at least middle
age and probably older given
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the average lifespan
was 45 or 50, was able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve and maintain an
errection long enough for his
>>>>>>>>>>>> daughters to rape him.
>>>>>>>>>>> So the story goes...
>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire story is so
cockamamie that it's laughable.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, but there it is....
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't write it...
>>>>>>>>>> You just believe it is something
more than a fairytale.
>>>>>>>>> Yep, more than a fairytale.
>>>>>>>> Not really, that's all it is.
>>>>>>> Your opinion.
>>>>>> Not really, just poking at the logical flaws in the tale is
>>>>>> pretty conclusive proof that it was either made up, or based
>>>>>> very, and I stress, very loosely on something that may have
>>>>>> happened.   Either way, a fable, or fairytale.
>>>>> Your opinion of logical flaws (which you actually failed to
>>>>> mention) isn't proof and certainly isn't conclusive proof....
>>>> I have mentioned them, you just can't honestly address them.
>>> There aren't "logical" flaws in the story.
>> They are just the move obvious logical flaws.
>
> There aren't "logical" flaws in the story.
>

They are most certainly logical flaws in the story.


>>>> As you are obviously slow, I will repeat:
>>>> "Think about the story for a moment...  There he was,
drunk on his
>>>> ass, unconscious, or at most semi-conscious, yet this guy, at least
>>>> middle age and probably older given that the average lifespan was
>>>> 45 or 50, was able to achieve and maintain an  errection long
>>>> enough for his daughters to rape him."
>>>> Can you offer an actual rebuttal, based in something other than
>>>> handwaving?
>>> Prove that getting an erection is IMPOSSIBLE while unconscious and
>>> you've made your point.  Otherwise you don't have a point.
>> The fact that alcohol is a central nervous system depressant if a
>> very well known fact.
>
> True, and irrelevant.

True, and very relevant, unless you think that some other system other than
your central nervous system is responsible for attaining an erection.


>
>> Drinking your self into unconciousness is very dangerous because your
>> nervous system activity can get so low that in several cases per
>> year it causes respiratory and occastionally cardiac arrest.
>
> True, and irrelevant.

True and quite relevant.


>
>> Give it a try, tell us how long you maintained an erection after
>> losing consciousness.
>
> I choose not to abuse myself in that way.

Regardless of whether or not you choose it, you can't do it.


>
>> Hell, tell us how long you maintain any sort of genital sensation
>> after drinking yourself unconscious.  Ask your local physician.
>
> Your challenge was: Prove that getting an erection is IMPOSSIBLE while
> unconscious

No fool, I've stated time and time again that the challenge was drinking
yourself into unconsciousness and maintaining an erection, particularly an
erection to ejaculation.    You keep trying to say just unconsciousness,
but
that is not what I've said.  The proof is apparent, there is no challenge.

The logical flaw stands.

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