Hyerdahl wrote:
> mark_sobolew...{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > greg1...{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > bluesmama wrote:
> >
> > > > guy's limits were, as far as how far he was willing to
compromise
> > > > himself in order to (possibly)laid? Frankly, a guy I can walk
all
> > > over> is not a guy I'd want to date twice,
> > >
> > > Ah hah!!  Such refreshing honesty.
> >
> > Not totally.
> >
> > She says she didn't want wimps but at the same time wanted
> > guys who caved into her demands.
> >
> > Does this make a lot of sense?
>
> Sure.  No one I know wants a partner who wanted someone who didn't
> consider their feelings equally.  Demanding things is just as
juvenile
> as seeing an egalitarian relationship as "caving in". :-)

Yet, you've been gloating that you perceive women, especially
young women, as in a position to make one sided demands.
One of the many amusing parodoxes you present is that
such women are in an unequally advantageous position to
demand men treat them as equals. :-)

There's no real need for so-called egalitarian adults to
"test" someone to see if they'll stand up for themselves
if that person has no intention to be abusive to begin
with.  An egalitarian man doesn't test a girl on a first
date to see if she'll stop him from slapping her around.  He
simply doesn't plan to slap her to begin with.

> > Later, Parg says she wants equal treatment but at the same
> > time wants men to prevent her from running around with
> > scissors lest she hurt others.
>
> ????  I don't even know what THAT means?

Argument of ignorance.

> The ONLY kind of personal
> relationships I would consider, whether it is between friends or
> lovers is an egalitarian one.  I don't like the slave-master
approach.

"Mommy?  When can I be a client?" -- AT&T commercial

The only halfway close relationships you've ever had were
connected directly by blood and even those are rather
poor.  You don't seem to respect either your mother or
father very much and you loved your children because
they spewed out of your loins and you could threaten
to starve 'em if they got too uppity.

The only way egalitarian relationships exist for
bluesmomma or yourself is if the man makes an effort
to help create the pretense of one.

> > Basically, the women want a fantasy world where they're
> > both adults and children.  They want men to lie to them.
> >
> Hahahahahaha....I guess that's what Laci Peterson must have wanted.

I don't know if that's what she wanted, but Scott certainly
was very charming and attractive to women.  He's getting
tons of fan mail and marriage proposals...

> > (Of course, except for Bluesmomma's husband.  Her husband
> > would NEVER lie to her.  He said so so it must be true. :-)
> >
> > > > I prefer a man with a strong sense> > > of
himself and some
firm
> boundaries. It's hard to have any respect for
> > > > someone who, instead of being assertive (not aggressive, that
> would
> > > > turn me off too, unless it was in the right situation, but
let's
> > not
> > > go
> >
> > I want to say bullshit but she has a half point.
> >
> > I have told women off on dates and some of them got into
> > the bad boy routine.  But then, I lived in the awful
> > world of trying to guess which fantasy they needed at the time:
> > The prince or the barbarian.
> >
> Jesus;  if I had half as much difficulty with my past relationships I
> would have simply given up on the opposite sex.

Er, you did. :-)

> Looks like you fancy
> yourself quite the player, and yet, you had to go all the way to
Russia
> for love.

Oh, I'm quite self-deprecating here.  I'll admit to everyone
that I'm not going to win any modeling contracts.  That said,
even though I'm not much of a player, I was ABLE to
go all the way to "Russia" and find love.  I know of
several aging spinsters, who easily could have won
modeling contracts and have fistfulls of money, who
wound up alone.

Whose the winner?

Consider the tortoise and the hare.  What counts is
who crosses the finish line and not how fast someone
can run around in a circle.

> > I believe it was GoddessBaybee who said that men having sex
> > with prostitutes were having a masturbatory experience.
> > Yet, such women want men to provide romance fantasies which
> > are equally absurd and unfulfilling for the men before
> > she puts out.  At least the prostitute retains some dignity
> > compared to these apologetic slobs who must walk a fine
> > line of "respecting" the woman but watching out for her tests.
>
> Again, I don't know what that means, but you seem to be suggesting
that
> women have more baggage than men, which is clearly a sexist idea.

Versus you bragging about any advantages women may have
in dating while going into laughable denial about
older women losing their SMV.

Even when the women do have advantages, they squander them
by undermining the very things they were trying to nurture:
bluesmomma wanted a man who would be so crushed with her
he would ask her out and pay her way YET at the same time
she thought it ok to "test" him to see if she could
treat him like dirt.  Amazing.

The worst enemies you gals have in handling power is yourselves.
Sexist men don't need to take it away from you.  We need
only allow you to run around with scissors...

> > > No matter how many women mislead us as to what they want, there
> will
> > > always be a few who tell the real story.
> > >
> > > The moral, gentlemen?  Stand your ground.  Be nice to yourself.
> Let
> > > her storm off in a huff.  Eventually, you'll find one who doesn't
> > storm> > off in a huff, or perhaps one who just wanted to see
whether
> you hold yourself in high regard, as you should.
> >
> > Indeed.  Perhaps the most highest regard someone deserves is
> > how they treat others when nobody is looking.
> >
> > There are women who think that the world should protect them
> > from themselves outside of the states but they
> > are usually regarded as immature, spoiled brats.
>
> The world can no longer "protect" women out of their rights; perhaps
> that's why Mark objects so strenously.

I was talking about personal relationships.  There you
go confusing civil rights and mere social choices again. :-)

Indeed.  Career women with all those precious rights don't
necessarily get the egalitarian but wimpy professional
non-sexist man they crave.  You gals are so needy you
even need rescue from yourselves.  Hilarious.

> > > > there right now) was a passive man. Generally, passive people
> take
> > it> > > and take it and then end up surprising everyone by blowing
up
> and> getting aggressive.
> > >
> > > As they say, "Beware the fury of the quiet man." 
Let me digress.
> > >
> > > There should be a similar saying.  "Beware the fury of the quiet
> > men." Erin Pizzey noted with great frustration that men don't
defend
> > > themselves.  She should have followed that observation with
"yet."
> > All> this feminist BS seems to roll off us like water off of ducks,
> but it> doesn't.  Every feminazi insult rachets up the tension just a
> bit.
> > > Eventually, the beam will fail, and the walls will come down.
Any
> > > previous definition of "backlash" will be quickly outdated.
> >
> > They keep hearing that and they don't take it seriously.
> > I can't say I blame them.
> >
>
> Well, the truth is that women don't seem to fear your violent
backlash
> claptrap because they are busy buying more guns,

Yeah, that's about as real as you NRA membership card. :-)

> building more jails,

And packing them with mostly minority men...

> and making sure the laws protect them the same way they do others who
> are being vicimized.

Such as illegal immigrants.  :-)

> > Then again, women wouldn't play so many of these games if
> > men were still the gentlemen of the past.  Bluesmomma claimed
> > that many men expect hookups.  So apparently, the barbarians
> > may be closer to the gates.
>
> I don't see how?  Hookups are all up to those who want them.  They
are
> voluntary, and women today seem to want to sow their wild oats since
> marriage is much lower on their list of priorities.

Yeah, nothing makes an aging career woman biological clock ticker
more attractive than the fact that she's been sowing wild oats.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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