-=> Scott Adams wrote to Dennis Haddox <=-
 
Part III
 
 SA>         Please show us here so the evidence can be broken down.
 SA>         Not just words please.  Please post logs, statements by
 SA>         users/players, screen captures and such.  I hope you
 SA> did
 SA>         do your homework.  But being so long i'm sure that
 SA>         stuff is thrown out by now.  Oh well.
 
Yes, but you didn't believe it then so it wouldn't make much
difference now would it?
 
 SA>           in your league.  Also stupidity by them admiting to
 SA> them
 SA>           cheating.  That has occured.
 
In the 777 game, after I was onto them and deleted their accounts
here on my board. They went to other boards, mainly xbit and
one of them started running his mouth, probably because they
got kicked off here and was mad they couldn't cheat here.
He admitted outright to having multiple accounts. He was also
one of those that gave us info on others. He said "What is
wrong with having dupe accounts, I know people that have
as many as 6 dupe accounts all over this league.
When a couple of my players and I started to look and see
where these accounts were with a little investigative work and
some deductive reasoning, that is when we started to point
them out.
 
 SA>          Now with these ideas in the open lets get back to
 SA> cheating
 SA>          in our league.  In my experience we have had cheaters
 SA>          we have caught and dealt with.  No board besides yours
 SA> has
 SA>          ever been thrown out (though I did not per se do it
 SA> mark
 SA>          did).  In my league 033 and now the merged 933 league
 SA>          we have mainly found the stupid multiple accounts.
 
Scott, I can't believe you are trying to piss in my face and tell
me it's raining. I have always thought you as on of the more
honest ones. Let me refresh your memory a bit here. 
Ok we were in the dispute on how to handle these boards that
were going up and down when they lost their edge, as I have
already discussed. I refused to let this issue drop. You said
that since Hoover ran the league, it was out of your hands and
it was his call. Then out of the fucking blue, Hoover sends me
a message saying I have a dupe player from my board playing
on another board. This is what really pissed me off. First of all,
do you see how the same thing has happened in all 3 of these
leagues? Try to get something done about the blatant cheating
and the LC turns around and accused YOU of cheating.
Anyway, I knew for a FACT that all the players that were playing
here were NOT playing anywhere else. All the players that were
playing here were local. They were people I knew. Just to make
sure though, I either called them up or drove over to their house
and asked each one of them. They all said no, we aren't playing
anywhere else. If they were lying, I would have known. They
were not lying.
I then decided that I have had enough of this shit, I was pulling
out of this league and ridding myself of that moron Hoover.
I emailed or netmailed you and told you I was pulling out, to take
me out of this network asap. You had replied asking if I wished
to remain in the message bases, which I also declined. I told
you straight out, no, that I have had enough of Hoover, I want
totally out of the network. You said ok, and that was that.
Then a couple days later, I hear Hoover is ranting that he kicked
us out of the league. He didn't do shit. He is just a lying moron.
I had already disconnected everything and removed all reference
to this network from my mailer's configuration days before when
I had messaged you.
 
 SA>          But the point is persepctive is the key to everything.
 SA>          As a sysop in a league you don't see every detail.
 
Yes...I do.
 
 SA>          Every problem.  Every fact.  You only see your side
 SA>          and your board losing battle after battle in a
 SA> desperate
 SA>          fight for survival.  You example what info you do have
 SA>          like scores and think "they must be cheating".  That's
 SA>          not the case that's just your human mind trying to
 SA> resolve
 SA>          a situation it can't deal with.
 
No, that isn't the case at all. We don't mind getting our asses kicked.
But when we do, we analyze what happened. Did we not get
enough participation from every player? When did the packets
process inbound and when were the outbound sent? What relation
to packet processing did we play? How many times and how often
did each player log on and play a few turns? Did we miscalculate
the size difference or did we just get too emotionally involved and
knew we would get beat but wanted to cause as much pain as we
could on our way down? Was somebody out of town that day
and miss playing altogether, or even 2 or 3 days? Was our
intelligence data incorrect? Who were the opponents allies? What
were the opponents growth rate during the battle? Growth rate
of allies during the battle? We look at everything.
When you analyze like that, you notice easily when something is
not right, so you keep an eye on that.
 
 SA>          But as the saying goes.  Those who protest or deny too
 SA> much
 SA>          tend to have something to hide (metaphorically or for
 SA> real).
 
Something to hide? I have nothing to hide. All I have is this
rage because these cheaters get away with it even when they
are caught and then the LC accuses you of cheating when
you have never cheated in a league in your life.
 
 SA>          Now you may call me names if you want I won't.  I only
 SA>          am trying to reason with you and hope you think about
 
I won't call you any names even though you did lie once in this
post, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time and
just chalk it up as you not remembering the facts clearly.
 
 SA>          Good day and good reading.  I hope you consider the
 SA>          above in friendship (what little you may think we
 SA>          have left) and not a attack.  You started the attacks
 SA>          I'm replying to them.
 
I don't feel I am attacking. It is more of a vent to release the
rage because people spreading lies about me and false
accusations about us cheating. I want to make sure that
anybody that reads these messages will know what kind
of slimy LC's run them that will even band together to try
and make their lies believable. I have nothing to hide so
I have nothing to lose when I uncover what kind of
cheating goes on in some of these leagues and how the
LC responds when you start pointing it out.
 
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