On 01-14-98 David Martorana wrote to Frank Masingill... 
 
        Hello David, 
  
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 DM> FM>  This is relatively easy to resolve.  Yes, David, we live under a 
 DM> FM> system but NOT (at least yet) a philosophical system.  This 
 DM> FM> "system," 
 DM> FM> indeed, obviously tolerates various "ideological systems" erected 
 DM> FM> by individuals and groups as long as these ideological groups are 
 DM> FM> willing to submit to the sovereingty of the Constitution 
   
 DM>      By all your definitions, the constitution is an ideology unto 
 DM>      itself and not easy to alter without mob mentality taking a hand 
 DM>      ............and that "willing to submit ???!!! 
    
  Yes, you see . 
  
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 DM> FM> I think what is of supreme importance is that you understand my 
 DM> FM> meanings 
 DM> FM> and I understand yours.  THAT is the basis of true dialogue - not 
 DM> FM> to WIN or LOSE a debate. 
   
 DM>   Yes! I slowly have come to understand your "styles" of reasoning and 
 DM>   writing .........not so simple as you would imagine them to be. As 
 DM>   said, I always did agree with *MOST* of your positions and insights- 
 
  I disagree with Frank's position.  It is Frank's postion that 
because we can't know the "ultimate truth", there are no "wins or 
loses." 
  I do tend to agree, however, I separate this out from, "loses." 
IOW, the basis of true dialogue is to -lose or not lose- a 
debate.  Please notice, this is different than -WIN or LOSE-. 
  This concept is borrowed from science.   What science has 
allowed to us to say, is what is -not true-.  IOW, science 
has said, the earth is not the center of the universe and 
notice, any new theory, Coperician, Keplar, Newton, Einstein, 
etc, at no point contradicts the NOTS of previous theorys, 
earth is the center of the universe.  
 
Take care, 
John 
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