Hi Tim.
        I got that message you posted of the club/meeting hall and the
        possible violations and such. I did not quote any of it here.
        I would like to let you in on my experience with that.
        I have seen a Alono Club which at one time had four (cout them)
        home groups meeting in its club house, charging a good chunk of 
        money to hold meetings there.  The groups were being self supporting 
        and was providing there own refrshments and such.  But the greed of
        the club members (who were also meeting participants) raised the 
        rent on the hall with every lease signing. (usually every six months
        or a year)  Concequently, out of all the groups that were meeting     
    there, none of them stayed!  They all found new homes including the
        biggest homegroup, which had over 80 members.  Fact of the matter is
        that the members of the club who also supported the meetings in the
        7th tradition truly screwed themselves.
        As for the man you spoke of trying to get help, was he being 
        rude in the meeting?  If this is the case, it might have been
        ok to get him to leave the meeting with another member.  But 
        to just send him out into the street does not give the group a 
        good rep.  I had a similar situation this afternoon.  I found one
        of our members in the meeting room for the fourth day in a row
        sleeping when I arrived prior to the start of the meeting.  I had 
        to wake him up and ask him if he was homeless.  After a few seconds
        of moaning he said he was.  I told him that he should check into a 
        shelter for the homeless and get his needs met.  To say the least,.
        he was not pleased with this suggestion. (pride)  I was pleasent 
        about telling him that he could not continue to use the meeting 
        room for a boarding house and that if it continued we would be asked
        to leave by the landlord. (he has spoke to me on this issue before)
        The kid just looked up at me and said that if that is how I felt then
        he would not come to any more meetings there anymore. (Pushing blame)
        My answer to him was "If you don't wish to come to meetings, that is
        your decission.  But don't blame that on the group."
        Point here is, when does helpping become enabling?  And once it has 
        begun it is much harder to stop.
                                                        Marty        
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