Hello Ward.

23 Jan 07 09:29, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

 >> Seems not . While cesaerians my be a bit overused, they are
 >> overall saving lives. Mother mortality rates are *way* down as
 >> opposed to say 1900.

 WD> The main reason for drop in mortality rates during childbirth is
 WD> considerably improved hygiene and most of the childbirths not occuring
 WD> at home anymore as it was before but under hospital conditions with
 WD> critical care a footstep away.

 >> Yes.  Mother mortality goes down too.  But then again, natural
 >> childbirth' sounds so good to guys who will never have to do it...
 >> or die from it.  Something every mother has faced front up, and
 >> personal.


     Some guys speak up out of ignorance since they don't and can't
really know what the experience is like. I think what is important
is that the guy be happy with what the women needs. While it is
important for both parents to share the birthing experience as much
as is possible. The ultimate experience is the mothers and her needs
and desires need to come first.


 WD> That's one below the belt, Carol, and I take that very personal.

 WD> My wife had every option available to her not to suffer during
 WD> childbirth and she chose voluntary the painful way. And I tell you it
 WD> made me revolt a bit because as a man you can only stand there and
 WD> watch events unfold.

 WD> Even after the first-one she wanted to continue normal childbirths
 WD> with the pain involved.


     What is important is what is right for the individual. Your wife
seems to have wanted to have the full experience without having that
experience changed by drugs and such. That is fine because that is what
works for her. Just as it is also fine for those that chose to birth
a child with a minimum of discomfort.


 WD> The only ceasarian she admitted to was because our second son spread
 WD> his legs and assumed such a position he would never fit in the
 WD> birth-canal. We tried masaging and therapy to change his position, he
 WD> reacted to it and then suddenly turned-over again. There was no other
 WD> option left.

     I had a son that I was watching being born years ago. When suddenly
the attendants instructed the mother to stop pushing. They also gave her
an injection to help in pausing the delivery. Seems that the fetus had
suddenly turned and was coming out face first with his head tilted
backwards with his forehead resting on the mother's pelvic bone. Giving
birth would
have most likely broken his neck. The mother was rushed away to have a
C-section performed. The preceding son was born naturally but with his
cord wrapped around his neck three times. again there was a sudden flurry
action by the attendants to reach in and try to unwrap the cord as the
child was being born. In the stage of delivery that the mother was in there
was NO holding anything.  I am glad to be able to state that both sons
were born healthy.


    The sad part for me is that I haven't seen either son since they were
about 3 years old. Which was some 17 years ago now. I love my children
very much and it pains me very deeply not knowing where or how they are.

 WD> When number-3 was on her way, she went the natural way again, no
 WD> C-section, no needle, ...

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Jeff

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