-=> Quoting Paul Sayan to Michael Martinez <=-
 
 MM> CB>In order to give your proposal some perspective, I've tried to draw 
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 MM> CB>my limited knowledge of history and geography.
 MM> PS>
 MM> PS> To add to your statement, I would like to hear from Mike what
 MM> PS> would stop the new eduational order which is suppose to arise from
 MM> PS> these ashes from being like old one, but worst?
 
 MM>We have to be aware of what the current problems are and how the system
 MM>works.   When I say "we", I mean everyone.  The public.  It's not hard.
 PS> 
 PS> Okay, so we are more aware.  One of the problems is that
 PS> we(everyone) can't agree on what our problems are.  Read this echo for
 PS> a while longer and you'll see what I mean.  The mysterious question of
 PS> "What is the problem in education, today"(folks, for the love of God,
 PS> please don't reply to that...pleasssseeeee!!!!!) is an example.
So you just want to give up?  Give up before even starting ...  Not even
make an attempt to find out what Illich is saying in full, by reading his
books?  I mean, not even *do* anything, just ignore it?
We *can't* get people to agree on what our problems are, is that what you're
saying?  Then how can we get 50 million adults to agree that it's the
right thing to vote for one specific man for president? 
-michael
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