On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:15:28 +0100, Pete Turk 
wrote:

>In article , Mark Green
> writes
>>Pete Turk  wrote in message
news:>ag.demon.co.uk>...
>>>         So you've seen it 'about 5 times'?
>>>         And it passed straight through your understanding 4 times?
>>>         You say (in effect) "Down with your repetition,
Mr. Turk!".
>>>         And I say "Down with the cause of my repetition,
Mr Skinner!"
>>
>>  Helping other people to change is a skill.  It is a skill that many
>>people think they have naturally, or that comes automatically with
>>other knowledge.  And many of those people are wrong about that.
>
>        I'm sure helping others to change is a multitude of
>        skills, depending on the helpee, area of concern and
>        what not.
>
>        What I do is to (choose to) answer other people's requests.
>
>        My answer may be helpful or otherwise, but _answering_
>        rather than helping is my concern.
>

A little definition is in order here Turk. Be honest with yourself at
VERY Least man. What you do is Flame people. You like it. You live for
it. and you get a sense of superiority over others when you do it. So
tell the truth about it! You are nothing but a narrow minded flamer.
At least stand up on your two legs like a man and own up to what you
do without trying to lilly coat it!

>>  
>>  If you want to help people (in the sense of changing them for the
>>better) by posting - then you should have realised by now, Pete, that
>>the method you're trying isn't working.
>
>        Ah, but it COULD be helping.
>
>        Your view of my helping (if I am) is that you feel
>        some benefit, and, since you're the best as well as
>        the only person to say if you do, YOU remain the
>        judge of that.
>
>        My view of helping (when I choose to) could be 
>        very different:
>
>        I see a querulous, attention-seeking self-diatribe
>        and notice it's the SAME one, from the SAME person,
>        week after month after year.
>
>        My view of helping is then to warn others, mostly well-
>        meaning posters that their always-sincere, often-very-
>        helpful-to-similarly-placed-individuals will be
>        treated as though YOU'D NEVER SEEN IT -- like earth
>        through an earth-worm in effect.
>
>        Then, some time later, the same message -- but THIS
>        time (maybe because of my warning/help?) posters will
>        save themselves time and application by not bothering 
>        to reply.
>

Do you think you could say that again in english?

>>  
>>  Of course, you don't have to care, and maybe you don't particularly
>>want to help people.  But if that's the case, you shouldn't complain
>>when they don't change.
>
>        Complain? Moi? No, I don't complain because I've
>        noticed that in general, impulses to change come
>        from _within_. And credit for change should "go"
>        within ...
>

>        And whether I "particularly want to help people"
>        depends a lot on the person, my time, my inclination
>        and lots of IRL issues that are no-one else's beeswax.
>
>        Enjoy this sunny afternoon, Mark. Twenty miles from 
>        you and Reading, I certainly will!
>
>
>                'He fell in love with himself at
>                 first sight and it is a passion
>                 to which he has always remained
>                 faithful.'
>
>                -- Anthony Powell  'The Acceptance World' 1955
>                          
>Pete Turk    ICQ# 11981084
>RFA President and Moonshadow
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