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echo: philos
to: FRANK MASINGILL
from: JOHN BOONE
date: 1998-01-16 12:32:00
subject: Ideology vs. philosophy

 On 01-14-98 Frank Masingill wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello Frank and thanks for writing, 
  
        [snip] 
  
 FM> JB> Man, as a PART of the reality in which he exists [*******will 
 FM> JB> most likely not*****] KNOW THE FULL STRUCTURE OF REALITY. 
   
        [snip] 
  
 FM> characterization could hardly be wrong.  In order to know the FULL 
 FM> STRUCTURE 
 FM> OF REALITY history would have to come to an end, John, so that 
 FM> everything that 
 FM> happens and is from BEGINNING TO END can be fully known to some 
 FM> observing 
 FM> consciousness which has then vaulted from the ontologically determined 
 FM> experience as a PARTICIPANT in reality to the experience of a KNOWER 
 FM> OF THE 
 FM> WHOLE OF IT BECAUSE THE WHOLE HAS BEEN TRANSACTED AND NOW HAS ENDED.  
 FM> This 
 FM> seems quite patent to me.   I can quite confidently predict that no 
 
  Are we not able to predict future events?  I ask, can you tell me 
what would happen to your computer if you were to blow up your computer 
(prior to having blown it up)?  Do you -need- to experience the computer 
to know what would happen? 
  The point, just because we don't know, the full extent of -what- has 
happened AND don't know what -WILL- happen doesn't mean we can't predict 
ahead. 
 
 FM> matter how 
 FM> many pictures you draw me of the total structure of reality you can't 
 FM> know 
 FM> such because you cannot by the very nature of your being experience 
 FM> it.  To 
 FM> think otherwise seems to me the height of folly and hubris.  
   
  Ah, you confuse.  I am not "thinking" othewise, I am arguing 
the -logical- (these are key words here Frank) inconsistency of 
this reflexsive statement. 
  If we are unable to look at the end, how can you make 
final statements.  I am telling you this problem evades 
into the reflexsive sentences, "The second sentence telling 
the truth" and "The first sentence is telling a falsehood." 
   Let me try again. "I can NEVER ever make -FINAL- statements." 
Do you not see, the sentence is in fact a final statement thus 
contradicting the original assertion as the sentence is itself 
a statement? This is what, I am telling you that your statement 
is doing. 
 
Take care, 
John 
 
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