*** Quoting Ward Dossche from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

WD> had a sister (she actually has 8) and when towards the end of her preg
WD> she felt a first cramp, she needed to press her knees together and be
WD> raced to a hospital to prevent the baby from just dropping-out prematu
WD> She had a window of about 20 minutes. No pushing, no yelling, no pain.
WD>  

I've heard of women like that.  I aint one of 'em.

WD> what a miscalculation. Contractions started something like 9pm, baby w
WD> born 6.35pm the next day. Very painful. I thought we were going to be

Mine started at 11am.  Lasted til 27 hours when they suddenly noted fetal
¨stress and had me in a C-section 15 mins later.  Seems some back damage
when I ¨was a child, caused nerve problems (suspected).  I didnt dialate at
all.
                                       xxcarol

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