What is pitiful about this is that I have to educate you on a
 subject you should be the expert on.

 ...

 MG> Klahn is simply too stupid to grasp that one can't return
 MG> to somewhere they've never been before. The Right of Return

 And have you or JB ever been to Israel? If not, how can you have
 a right of return.

 Can you even show you have any ancestors who ever lived there?
 Or anywhere near there? There have been communities of Jews in
 Africa, black Jews, whose ancestors converted mellenia ago.
 Hell, the Ethopian Jews never had an ancestor in Israel, but
 they were found to have a Jewish tradition that traced back to
 the time of Solomon.

 MG> only applies to Jews who didn't convert to Judaism, but "to

 Funny, the Israeli newspapers don't seem to agree. Converts can
 immigrate by the "right of return". They don't all get the same
 rights, but Orthodox get the full rights.

 The govt of Israel doesn't seem to agree with you either, as
 below.

 MG> the manor were born" (that'll confuse the heck out of him.

 No it won't.

 MG> In the exact same way that Israel couldn't give "back"
 MG> Gaza to the false >)so called "palestinians" because
 MG> Israel took it from *EGYPT*. Israel has every

 Israel took land from a country that had no right to it? And how
 does that give them any rights?

 BTW, the Palestinians are, at the very least, as legitimately
 Palestinians as Israeli immigrants who have never been there
 before can claim to be Israelis.

 MG> right to put whatever limitations on immigrants that they
 MG> choose, just like we (the US) has. I really can't think of
 MG> a more simple way of wording "the right of return only
 MG> applies to Jews born Jews". My 11 year old granddaughter
 MG> understood it at 5. Of course she's infinitely smarter than
 MG> Klahn is.

 Not if she believes you.

 From Israel's Foreign Ministry
 www.snipurl.com/lawofreturn
 **************************************************************************

  Law of Return 5710-1950

5 Jul 1950


        *Law of Return 5710-1950*

 /Right of aliyah**/

 1. Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh**.

 / Oleh's visa/

 2. (a) Aliyah shall be by oleh's visa.

 (b) An oleh's visa shall be granted to every Jew who has
 expressed his desire to settle in Israel, unless the Minister
 of Immigration is satisfied that the applicant

 (1) is engaged in an activity directed against the Jewish
 people; or

 (2) is likely to endanger public health or the security of the
 State.

/ Oleh's certificate/

 3. (a) A Jew who has come to Israel and subsequent to his
 arrival has expressed his desire to settle in Israel may, while
 still in Israel, receive an oleh's certificate.

 (b) The restrictions specified in section 2(b) shall apply also
 to the grant of an oleh's certificate, but a person shall not be
 regarded as endangering public health on account of an illness
 contracted after his arrival in Israel.

/ Residents and persons born in this country/

  4. Every Jew who has immigrated into this country before the
 coming into force of this Law, and every Jew who was born in
 this country, whether before or after the coming into force of
 this Law, shall be deemed to be a person who has come to this
 country as an oleh under this Law.

 ...

  *Law of Return (Amendment No. 2) 5730-1970**

 /Addition of sections 4A and 4B/

  1. In the Law of Return, 5710-1950**, the following sections
 shall be inserted after section 4:

 ...

 /Definition/

 4B. For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was
 born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and
 who is not a member of another religion."


 /GOLDA MEIR/
 Prime Minister
 Acting Minister of the Interior

 /SHNEUR ZALMAN SHAZAR/
 President of the State


 * Passed by the Knesset on 2nd Adar Bet, 5730 (10th March,
 1970) and published in Sefer Ha-Chukkim No. 586 of the 11th
 Adar Bet, 5730 (19th March, 1970), p. 34; the Bill and an
 Explanatory Note were published in Hatza'ot Chok No. 866 of
 5730, p. 36.

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BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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