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echo: philos
to: JOHN BOONE
from: FRANK MASINGILL
date: 1998-01-16 16:55:00
subject: Ideology vs. philosophy

 JB> Are we not able to predict future events?  I ask, can you tell me what
 JB> would happen to your computer if you were to blow up your computer
 JB> (prior to having blown it up)?  Do you -need- to experience the computer
 JB> to know what would happen?
   Have you not considered Hume's answer to such a question, John?  I could
reasonably assure you that computer users who in the past have blown up their
computers have endured the experience of not being able to use them again
until they were replaced or repaired.  Hume said we were not allowed to set 
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observation of events following each other as absolutely related through 
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and effect.  You cannot predict absolutely that the sun will appear on the
horizon tomorrow.  
   But you've carried my observations about whether or not history has an
eidos to quite unusual types of rebuttals.   You can tell me what you think
the eidos of history (structure of reality) is and I can tell you what *I*
think it is but all that yields is two different stories.  You seem to be
scrupulously avoiding that part of what I DO say that would weaken your
rebuttals.  I'm not sure there is much that I can do about that.  I don't
think there is much else I can contribute on the subject.  
 JB> Ah, you confuse.  I am not "thinking" othewise, I am arguing the
 JB> -logical- (these are key words here Frank) inconsistency of this
 JB> reflexsive statement. If we are unable to look at the end, how can you
 JB> make final statements.  I am telling you this problem evades into the
 JB> reflexsive sentences, "The second sentence telling the truth" and "The
 JB> first sentence is telling a falsehood." Let me try again. "I can NEVER
 JB> ever make -FINAL- statements." Do you not see, the sentence is in fact a
 JB> final statement thus contradicting the original assertion as the
 JB> sentence is itself a statement? This is what, I am telling you that your
 JB> statement is doing.
   I cannot repeat my full context each time I make a statement. John.  Try 
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can NEVER ever make FINAL statements as long as I am mortal."   That doesn't
hold should I be able to become immortal while the world somehow remains the
same.  Of course it is precisely the metastatic view that the world can
magically change and yet at the same time remain the same.  
Sincerely, 
                                     Frank
                                                                              
                                                       
--- PPoint 2.05
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* Origin: Maybe in 5,000 years - frankmas@juno.com (1:396/45.12)

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