From: "Suhas Gurjar" 
To: "McHatten, Shawn" 
Cc: "atmlist" 
Reply-To: "Suhas Gurjar" 


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Dear Shawn
Here is answer to your query about "Why not for less than
1000...". = Probably as the figures below 1000 are more oftenly used
in day to day = life, for currency etc. we have separate names for each
step of multiple = of tens.
i.e. 10 is "Daha (in Marathi), Das (in Hindi) and Dash in general =
(original Sanskrit) -=20
100 is Shambhar (in Marathi), Sau (in Hindi), Shat in Sanskrit 1000 is
Hajar (in Marathi and in Hindi) and Sahasra (in Sanskrit). I do not know
versions is other Sanskrit based languages like Gujarathi, = Uriya,
Bangali, Panjabi, Telagu, Tamil, Malyalam and in fact all Indian =
languages except may be Kashmiri, which is near to Pursian. Beyond this the
figures are not really required in old days (less costly = days) .
I will try  to give references for Indian origin of Decimal system and =
Zero, and PI (it has also Indian origin with very long decimals after =
decimal point. We have ver nice system of Vedic Mathematics (though we =
have forgotten now to us it in practice. Some other day at leisure I = will
narrate few of the methods to solve complex calculations using = Vedic
mathematics.

Thanks for your interest
Suhas

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "McHatten, Shawn" 
To: "'Suhas Gurjar'" 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:56 AM Subject: RE: ATM OT how the world
displays numbers


> Hi Suhas
> Thanks for the reply. I didn't know that you split them every two =
instead of three. That's interesting. But why not split after two =
everywhere. Why just after 1000. Why not after 100?
> And I didn't know that this system came from India. I'd always thought =
it came from Arabia. Is that because they got it from you and then = passed
it on to Europe? I thought that zero and the other "Arabic" =
numerals came from Babylon or something :). I gotta get my history =
straight :).
>=20
> Thanks
> Shawn
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suhas Gurjar [mailto:gsuhas{at}pn3.vsnl.net.in]=20
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:55 AM
> To: McHatten, Shawn; atmlist
> Subject: Re: ATM OT how the world displays numbers
>=20
> In India, once we cross the limit of 1000 (Thousand - we cal it Hajar =
in
> Hindi / Marathi and may be in few more Sanskrit based languages), we =
have
> names for every step of multiple of 100. -
> 10,000 is called Ten Thousand
> But 100,000 has name Lakh or Laksh
> then 10 times Laksh is ten Lakh (Which means million in English =
system)
> But 100 times Lakh is Crore (100,00,000)
> then 10 crores
> But 100 times crore is Abja (100,00,00,000)
> Likewise it goes on in "Padma", "Mahapadma",
"Kharva", "Nikharva"   =
----
> "Parardha which is 100,00,00,00,00,00,00,000.
> As our steps are in multiples of 100 after 1000 it is perfectly =
logical to
> have commas after every 2 zeros after 1000.
>=20
> Yes, we are proud, Indians invented Decimal system as well as 0 =
(ZERO).
> Suhas
> Amateur Astronomer
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McHatten, Shawn" 
> To: "atmlist" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:26 AM
> Subject: ATM OT how the world displays numbers
>=20
>=20
> >
> > Hi Guys
> > Totally off topic gang but I thought this was interesting. We had a =
short
> conversation on the list a while back about different units (metric vs
> English, etc). I'm just wondering how many different ways the world =
displays
> numbers regardless of the units of measure they represent. Especially =
the
> Arabic numerals, that much of the western world uses.
> > From private conversations with Kartik Patel I got interested in =
Bombay
> (now called Mumbai). While snooping I found that they list large =
numbers
> differently than I am used to. I've found this in other cases too. =
Just
> wondering how many other ways countries use to do this. Below are some
> samples of how to display one hundred and twenty three million, four =
hundred
> and fifty six thousand, seven hundred and eighty nine, point, zero one =
two
> three four five. So far I have:
> >
> > - in most of English NA 123,456,789.012345
> > - France and French Canada (Quebec) 123.456.789,012345
> > - Bombay, India 12,34,56,789.012345
> >
> > I'd be interested in hearing what other countries do with Arabic
> representation or how other scripts split up their numbers, ie =
Russian,
> Chinese, Japanese. Sorry guys, I don't even know what you use for =
numbers
> :). Does anyone use commas AFTER the decimal place. How do you =
PRONOUNCE the
> India version. Do you still use thousands, millions, billions. If so =
what is
> the rationale behind splitting every two numerals instead of every =
three.
> >
> > The Mumbai official site is:
> >
> > http://www.mcgm.gov.in/
> >
> > and their stats page shows that there were:
> >
> > 99,25,891 (As per census 1991)
> >
> > on: http://www.mcgm.gov.in/Stat%20&%20Fig/Index_Frame.htm
> >
> >
> > The 99 million in the city really threw me until I noticed the =
commas had
> been moved and it was really about 10 million. Again sorry for OT. =
Thought
> others might be interested.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=20

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Dear Shawn
Here is answer to your query
about "Why =
not for=20
less than 1000...". Probably as the
figures below 1000 = are more=20
oftenly used in day to day life, for currency etc. we have separate = names for=20
each step of multiple of tens.
i.e. 10 is "Daha (in
Marathi), Das (in =
Hindi) and=20
Dash in general (original Sanskrit) - 
100 is Shambhar (in Marathi), Sau (in =
Hindi), Shat=20
in Sanskrit
1000 is Hajar (in Marathi and
in Hindi) =
and Sahasra=20
(in Sanskrit).
I do not know versions is other =
Sanskrit based=20
languages like Gujarathi, Uriya, Bangali, Panjabi, Telagu, Tamil, = Malyalam and=20
in fact all Indian languages except may be Kashmiri, which is near to=20
Pursian.
Beyond this the figures are not really =
required in=20
old days (less costly days) .
I will try  to give
references for =
Indian=20
origin of Decimal system and Zero, and PI (it has also Indian origin = with very=20
long decimals after decimal point. We have ver nice system of Vedic = Mathematics=20
(though we have forgotten now to us it in practice. Some other day at = leisure I=20
will narrate few of the methods to solve complex calculations using = Vedic=20
mathematics.
 
Thanks for your
interest
Suhas
 
----- Original Message -----

From: "McHatten,
Shawn" <mailto:Shawn.McHatten{at}aliant.ca">
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Shawn.McHatten{at}aliant.ca>
To: "'Suhas Gurjar'"
<mailto:gsuhas{at}pn3.vsnl.net.in">
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>gsuhas{at}pn3.vsnl.net.in>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:56 =
AM
Subject: RE: ATM OT how the world =
displays=20
numbers
> Hi Suhas> Thanks for the reply. I
didn't know that = you split=20
them every two instead of three. That's interesting. But why not split = after two=20
everywhere. Why just after 1000. Why not after 100?> And I
didn't = know=20
that this system came from India. I'd always thought it came from = Arabia. Is=20
that because they got it from you and then passed it on to Europe? I = thought=20
that zero and the other "Arabic" numerals came from Babylon or something =
:). I=20
gotta get my history straight :).> >
Thanks> = Shawn>=20
> -----Original Message-----> From: Suhas Gurjar=20
[mailto:gsuhas{at}pn3.vsnl.net.in] > Sent: Thursday, June 19,
2003 = 7:55=20
AM> To: McHatten, Shawn; atmlist>
Subject: Re: ATM OT how = the=20
world displays numbers> > In India, once
we cross the = limit of=20
1000 (Thousand - we cal it Hajar in> Hindi / Marathi and
may be = in few=20
more Sanskrit based languages), we have> names for every
step of = multiple=20
of 100. -> 10,000 is called Ten Thousand>
But 100,000 has = name=20
Lakh or Laksh> then 10 times Laksh is ten Lakh (Which
means = million in=20
English system)> But 100 times Lakh is Crore
(100,00,000)> = then 10=20
crores> But 100 times crore is Abja
(100,00,00,000)> = Likewise it=20
goes on in "Padma", "Mahapadma", "Kharva",
"Nikharva"   =
---->=20
"Parardha which is 100,00,00,00,00,00,00,000.> As our
steps are = in=20
multiples of 100 after 1000 it is perfectly logical to>
have = commas after=20
every 2 zeros after 1000.> > Yes, we are
proud, Indians = invented=20
Decimal system as well as 0 (ZERO).>
Suhas> Amateur=20 Astronomer>
> ----- Original Message -----> From:=20
"McHatten, Shawn" <mailto:Shawn.McHatten{at}aliant.ca">
face=3DArial
size=3D2>Shawn.McHatten{at}aliant.ca>> To: "atmlist"
<mailto:atm{at}shore.net"> face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>atm{at}shore.net>> Sent:=20
Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:26 AM> Subject: ATM OT how the
world = displays=20
numbers> > >
>> > Hi Guys> > =
Totally=20
off topic gang but I thought this was interesting. We had a =
short>=20
conversation on the list a while back about different units (metric =
vs>=20
English, etc). I'm just wondering how many different ways the world=20
displays> numbers regardless of the units of measure they
= represent.=20
Especially the> Arabic numerals, that much of the western
world=20 uses.> > From private conversations with
Kartik Patel I got = interested=20
in Bombay> (now called Mumbai). While snooping I found
that they = list=20
large numbers> differently than I am used to. I've found
this in = other=20
cases too. Just> wondering how many other ways countries
use to = do this.=20
Below are some> samples of how to display one hundred and
twenty = three=20
million, four hundred> and fifty six thousand, seven
hundred and = eighty=20
nine, point, zero one two> three four five. So far I =
have:>=20
>> > - in most of English NA
123,456,789.012345> =
> -=20
France and French Canada (Quebec) 123.456.789,012345>
> - = Bombay,=20
India 12,34,56,789.012345> >>
> I'd be interested in = hearing=20
what other countries do with Arabic> representation or how
other = scripts=20
split up their numbers, ie Russian,> Chinese, Japanese.
Sorry = guys, I=20
don't even know what you use for numbers> :). Does anyone
use = commas=20
AFTER the decimal place. How do you PRONOUNCE the> India
version. = Do you=20
still use thousands, millions, billions. If so what is>
the = rationale=20
behind splitting every two numerals instead of every three.> =
>>=20
> The Mumbai official site is:>
>> > ">http://www.mcgm.gov.in/"> face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.mcgm.gov.in/
face=3DArial = size=3D2>>=20
>> > and their stats page shows that there
were:>=20
>> > 99,25,891 (As per census
1991)> >> =
> on:=20
">http://www.mcgm.gov.in/Stat%20&%20Fig/Index_Frame.htm">
=

face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.mcgm.gov.in/Stat%20&%20Fig/Index_Frame.htm;=
> >>
>> > The 99 million = in the city=20
really threw me until I noticed the commas had> been moved
and it = was=20
really about 10 million. Again sorry for OT. Thought>
others = might be=20
interested.> >>
>> > Thanks> >=20
Shawn> >>
>> >>
>>=20


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