on the neck? Does that hurt?
B.M.: [Inaudible reply.]
At that point in the questioning B.M. told Investigator (I) that
he wanted to leave. Investigator (I), in an effort to put B.M. at
ease, changed the tenor of the conversation and began to reassure
B.M. that he was safe from Kelly.
Investigator (I): I know it must not be very easy to remember this
and to talk about it. It's painful and embarrassing. I also know
that she scared a lot of kids and telling them things that weren't
true. About monsters and about how she can fly. I heard all those
stories [**64] from your friends. Did you know Kelly is in jail?
B.M.: Yeah.
Investigator (I): If you help me out, when we finish here in a
couple of minutes I will introduce you to the man who put her in
jail.
B.M.: I thought you put her in jail.
[*333]
Investigator (I): I helped to get her there. By talking to all the
kids and telling me the truth about what happened. The more kids
we get to tell us what happened the longer she can stay in jail.
You see?
You said you were real upset when she was hurting your friend or
damaging your friends, we do not want her damaging anymore kids,
right? So when we finish today, I will introduce you to the man
who put her in jail. And, if you want, if you help me out I can
have Sgt. Noonan of the local police department show you what a
jail cell looks like so that you can see it, how tough it is for
her, she cannot break out of jail, like she was telling everybody.
I think she was telling everybody she had superpowers, that she
could see through walls and stuff like that. She doesn't have
anything like that. She's a regular woman. A regular person.
B.M.: Is she really like that? Super powers?
Investigator (I): No. I think you know that she doesn't have super
[**65] powers. You know what it is, Kelly was sick when she was
hurting kids. It's o.k.  to like her, she was a nice lady until
she got sick. And then after she got sick is when she started
hurting kids . . . .
Investigator (I): Did she try to bother you and you didn't let her?
B.M.: No.
Investigator (I): It would be o.k. to tell me the truth if she did
try to bother you just so that you can show me how she might just
try to hurt these other kids. 'Cause the more we know the longer
she will stay in jail. You understand? And I think you would like
to know that she doesn't have any secret powers, she can't fly,
she can't see through walls, she can't hurt anybody with her vision.
. . . What are some of the other stories that she used to scare the kids? 
hat
they wouldn't tell anybody. Did she tell them she would hurt their
parents or something Do you know if she said that?
B.M.: Yeah.
Investigator (I): You know that's not true. . . . The police put
her in jail.  Because she was hurting you, you know. That's why I
really need your help, especially you older kids, you six-year-olds
and kindergartners, because you can talk better than the little
kids, and you can show things a little clearer [**66] on the dolls.
And if you help us out we can take you on a little tour of the
jail. And you will be helping to keep her in jail longer so that
she doesn't hurt anybody else. Not to mention that you'll feel a
lot better once you start --
B.M.: It's scaring me.
* * * *
Investigator (I): That's o.k. . . . Believe me she is not going to
be coming out of jail. She's not going to be hurting you guys
anymore. That's why I'm really proud of you, and E.N. and L.J.
Which one got hurt the worst?
B.M.: None of them.
Investigator (I): That's not what they told me.
B.M.: I never saw anybody get hurt.
[*334]
Investigator (I): You never saw anybody get hurt? Did they ever
tell you that they got hurt? See, the reason I think that you might
have gotten hurt or seen them . . . is that you started to show me
on the dolls just exactly what happened. And unless you saw it
happen you wouldn't really know, would you?
B.M.: I didn't get hurt.
Investigator (I): No maybe you didn't, maybe you fought her off.
Maybe you really didn't hurt then. Maybe you saw your other friends
getting hurt and you didn't like it very much. You know.
* * * *
B.M.: What did Kelly do?
Investigator (I): Oh I think [**67] you know. N.J. told me, and
G.G. told me that she hurt them in the gym downstairs. And E.N.
told me what he saw.
B.M.: What did he see?
Investigator (I): I don't want to tell you what they told me because
I want to know if everybody is telling me the truth. If what you
tell me goes along with what they said, then I know they were all
telling the truth. You know what I mean, jellybean.
B.M.: I want to leave. -- Now!
Investigator (I): Did you ever go in the music room? The room with
the big black piano?
B.M.: No.
Investigator (I): Did you ever see Kelly play Jingle Bells on the
piano?
B.M.: No.
Investigator (I): How did she look when she was sitting at the
piano?
B.M.: I never saw her play the piano.
Investigator (I): Did she look like this when she was sitting at
the piano?
B.M.: No.
Investigator (I): Did you ever see Kelly locking any of the kids
in the bathroom or closet?
B.M.: No.
Investigator (I): If you did see her hurt any kids would you tell
me?
B.M.: No.
B.M. steadfastly refused to implicate Kelly in any way. The interview
continued for a few more minutes, ending with Investigator (I)'s
final attempts to gain "cooperation" from B.M.
[**68] B.M.: I want to leave now.
Investigator (I): I'd hate having to tell your friends that you
didn't want to help them.
B.M.: I do. [*335]
Investigator (I): I'll have to tell them that you didn't want to
though.
The interview ended without any further comment from B.M.
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