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from: Mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.Com
date: 2005-03-25 16:50:00
subject: Re: Is Fundy Bush Putting Teens At Risk?

Hyerdahl wrote:
> mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > > > BTW, don't you find
> > > > > that Bush is fighting religious fundamentalism abroad while
> > > embracing
> > > > > it at home?
> > > >
> > > > Ironically, it's the democratic party that's embracing the
> > > > Muslim fundamentalists and engaging in an anti-Israeli stance.
> > >
> > > The Democratic party doesn't run on two minute sound bites and
> > prefers> a comprehensive mid-east policy that considers the needs
of
> all the > people involved, including the Muslims who live there.
> >
> > Such as Bin Laden.  :-)
>
> Sure.  The Democrats want Bin Laden to pay for his actions just like
> any other citizen who does the kinds of things he has done.

Er, Bin Laden isn't a citizen of the U.S.

> > > That doesn't
> > > have anything to do with embracing FUNDAMENTALISM,
> >
> > Isn't diversity about embracing all minorities?  Are
> > Muslim fundamentalists not a minority in the states? :-)
>
> Diversity isn't about "embracing" or even accepting the violent or
> sexist actions of any culture.

Many Muslims FUNDAMENTALISTS, in fact, probably most are quite
peaceful.

>  It's about ending prejudice and bias
> against people of other cultures and including them in our own.
Surely
> Mark, even you don't think that Bin Laden is representative of all
> Islam?

Er, I didn't say he was.  You chose to create that association on
your own.  Strawman.

> > > and Mark is either
> > > playing stupid in pretending he doesn't understand that, or he is
> > > stupid. :-)
> > >
> > > > Bin Laden endorsed the last democratic presidential candidate,
> > > > after all. :-)
> > >
> > > That's ok;  Some of Hitler's followers 'endorsed' the Bush
> > > administration as well. :-)
>
> >
> > Names?
> >
> > regards,
> > Mark Sobolewski
>
> All those skin heads who voted for Bush.

Yeah, all of those guys.  You know who! :-)

> Surely you're not suggesting
> that no one endorced Bush who didn't have some Nazi in his closet.
> Even Arnold is rumoured to have some Nazi past, no?
>
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_jones_090403_arnie.html
>
> The facts speak for themselves. Arnold's father, Gustav
Schwarzenegger
> volunteered to join the Austrian Nazi party when it was still illegal
> to do so in 1938. His father went on to be the Police Chief in the
town
> of Thal bei Graz where Arnold grew up.

So Nazism is genetic?  I guess all those women wanting
the US to be more like Germany should think twice then. :-)

> The media has skillfully focused on his father and away from all the
> real Nazi connections and said "Arnold can't help what his daddy
did."
> But what they don't tell you about is that Arnold is a self
proclaimed
> follower of Kurt Waldheim. Kurt Waldheim was a favorite of the United
> Nations

Yeah, the UN is a bunch of nazis too.  I KNEW IT! :-)

> and served as Secretary General from 1972 to1982. When Waldheim
> ran for the Presidency of Austria in 1986, Arnold was Waldheim's
> biggest supporter and campaigned across Austria and was even featured
> on campaign posters.

Yeah, all those Austrians are nazis.  It's so clear now. :-)

> During the campaign it emerged that he had been a wanted war criminal
> for atrocities he had commanded as an officer in the dreaded Nazi SS.
> Waldheim had written and approved posters and leaflets that read
among
> many things, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over."

Indeed.  Writing hateful leaflets and posters makes a person
a member of the dreaded Nazi SS.  I guess that means all feminists
who wrote leaflets advocating a society rid of men are nazi SS
members too.  Who knew? :-)

> Later the whole world learned that the United Nations had known all
> along that Kurt Waldheim was a Nazi and a wanted war criminal and
> helped cover it up. It makes sense, anyone with a command and control
> background fits in well with the UN.
>
> The Waldheim story that broke in 1986 was a sensation and dominated
> news cycles for months. In the midst of the fire storm Arnold
> Schwarzenegger stood up at his wedding with Marie Shriver in front of
a
> crowd of east coast blue bloods and said, "My friends don't want me
to
> mention Kurt's name because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the UN
> controversy, but I love him and Marie does too, and so thank you,
> Kurt."

So if someone is accused of a crime, they're guilty?
Are you admitting then that Clinton is a rapist?

Oh, and Democratic Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK.
So this means that the Democratic Party is a big Klan
organization...

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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