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from: Rdubose{at}pdq.Net
date: 2005-03-26 00:48:00
subject: Re: Fear and Intimidation at Harvard

Hyerdahl wrote:
> Rob wrote:
> > "Little Dionysos" 
wrote in message
> news:...
> > > More artciles on Larry Summers
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=5297&R=C4322F152
> > > by Havard Professor Mansfield
> > >
> > > http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=IZMZoxUzwPMhvmZIyM6y9R%3D%3D
> > > by Havard Professor Steven Pinker
> > >
> > > D.
> >
> > Nice links, ta.
> > Professor Mansfield got one of his paragraphs straight from soc.men
> :)
> >
> > Quote:
> > It takes one's breath away to watch feminist women at work. At the
> > same time that they denounce traditional stereotypes they conform
to
> > them. If at the back of your sexist mind you think that women are
> > emotional, you listen agape as professor Nancy Hopkins of MIT comes
> > out with the threat that she will be sick if she has to hear too
much
> > of what she doesn't agree with.
>
> Well, you must count Jeb Bush quite the fool too, since he also said
> something to that effect about the woman who's deprived of her
feeding
> tube.  I guess it isn't that a person can feel sickened by crap
that's
> going on is simply not available to women, eh?  So, it would appear
> that feeling "sickened" by words is not necessarily a female trait.
> And Nancy Hopkins, like me, is SICK to death of arrogant men trying
to
> explain away discrimination agaisnt women by parsing it off as some
> inferior brain functioning instead of the sexism it is.


   Clever inversion noted. If women have not achieved something, it
must only be mens fault.
   Your permanent claim on victimhood will backfire eventually. People
will begin to ask why bother to invest so much in the education and
advancement of such frail vessels.


>
>  If you think women are suggestible,> you hear it said that the mere
> suggestion of an innate inequality in women will keep them from
> stirring themselves to excel.

   A recent and very excellent book on the business of guiding climbers
up Mt. Everest made an interesting point: If a guide does too much and
makes it too easy for a climber to get way high up the mountain that
does not mean that the climber can be kept alive unless he or she is
pretty damn good on their own. Beyond a certain altitude, the realities
of wind and snow and hardship tend to overcome every effort to create
an artificially safe environment for a weaker climber. So, ultimately,
no one really benefits from this sort of hand-holding and often people
die because of it.
   I think of this when I hear of a full Prof. at Harvard (supposedly
the main arena) who starts to cry and wimper for someone to help her
from the room when confronted by ideas she does not like.


>
> The president of an institution is supposed to represent ALL THE
> STUDENTS, even the women, in that institution;  if Summers believes
> women inferior, he cannot and should not try to represent them.  It's
> just that simple.  Every female student in that school should look at
> him with suspicion
>
>  While> denouncing the feminine mystique, feminists behave as if they
> were
> > devoted to it.
>
> Except that there is nothing at all mysterious about sexism; it's
> pretty much the same as it has always been.  Men feel insecure and
try
> to prevent women from continuing forward, so they throw up road
blocks
> wherever they can.  Today, however, women aren't accepting even the
> notion of such a road block and, instead of ignoring them or going
> around them, are knocking down those who place them there.
>
> They are women who assert their independence but still
> > depend on men to keep women secure and comfortable while admiring
> > their independence. Even in the gender-neutral society, men are
> > expected by feminists to open doors for women. If men do not, they
> are
> > intimidating women.
>
> Hahahahah...Men can't "intimidate women" in this day and age;  they
are
> still trying tho, and one way for women to handle that is to expose
> them for what they are.  That's what Summers is experiencing right
now.
>  Perhaps it's turn about fair play.


   What Summers is experiencing is a relentless barrage of lies and
distortions regarding what he actually said, much less what he actually
meant.
  Not that you care, but the direction of discovery in the field of
neuroscience is exactly as Summers mentioned. Over time, in the view of
future histories, his persecutors will look like the fanatics who went
after Galileo. They were the kind of people afterall who wanted to put
their fingers in their ears and then torture anyone who said things
that threatened their entrenched, profitable orthodoxies.



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