RC>> Except that in the case of the individual in question, as you saw
 RC>> at least twice, we have received detailed biographies, now
 RC>> multiply that by his entire tenure in this network.

 ml> so what? what's wrong with that if someone wants to write their life
 ml> story or parts of it???

 RC> When it gets used against them or 

so Don't Do That! ;)

 RC> becomes unbelievable, boring or not germane to the discussion.

Hit The [Next] Key! ;)

 RC>> I have longed held that in a venue in which there are no face to
 RC>> face communications, when all that can be passed are thoughts,
 RC>> ideas and opinions, it is most prudent to withhold intimate
 RC>> details about oneself. To this end, there are no secrets
 RC>> pertinent to this individual that are not known, unless of course
 RC>> everything he has conveyed are boasts and lies.

 ml> not everyone believes as you do WRT their life's story...

 RC> Only bleeding (bleating) hearts like yourself would play fast and
 RC> lose with such trivia in a written messaging network. Probably the
 RC> worst form of social communication there is...

:lol:

/me wonders when he became a "bleeding (bleating) heart"?

 RC>> I have long tried to tell him, as have others, to attempt to make
 RC>> his background more of a mystery, instead of an open book, he
 RC>> will tell you himself, that he rejects that advice (he calls this
 RC>> honesty as if he needs to prove that his Dad can beat up your
 RC>> Dad). I am of course talking about those things that can be
 RC>> turned against you, then of course as you might have observed,
 RC>> there is the (painful) minutia.

 ml> have you ever considered why he is telling the truth and putting in so
 ml> much detail???

 RC> or perhaps the mud (shit) gets deeper or thicker?

you didn't answer the question... have you put yourself in his shoes and
truly thought about the things that might bring one to do as he has done?
in other words, think about what you are saying or doing and why you are
doing such... then decide if it is truly necessary...

 RC>> So once one opens these doors, the cat has gotten out.

 RC>> He did not need to tell everyone of his experiences with the law,
 RC>> who he blames for being in that position etc etc..

 ml> does it really matter that he did? sure, you and others use it as
 ml> cannon fodder to fire back at him and put him down but is there really
 ml> a need for that? is that need so that those who are doing it can raise
 ml> themselves higher and try to feel better about themselves??

 RC> Its called contrasting Mark, when establishing or defending a
 RC> position, hence why Wayne should not have openned those doors..

standing out here looking in and watching for all these years, what i see
is bullying and/or attempts to raise one's self higher by putting others
down...

 RC> and why havent you told us "all there is to know"??

who says that i haven't?

 RC>> The point here is Richard, is that this man should not be casting
 RC>> judgement onto others, when he hasnt a moral or ethical leg to
 RC>> stand on. I have never been in jail or placed under arrest, I
 RC>> will be damned if I am going to be judged by someone who has,
 RC>> because I dont formulate my views as he does and possess the same
 RC>> opinions.

 ml> no one should be casting any judgements on others because no matter
 ml> how pure they think themselves to be, there is something that places
 ml> them in the spotlight of not being as pure as they think themselves to
 ml> be...

 RC> Well I was Judged and convicted by Wayne because I didnt take his
 RC> angle about the Iraq war, among other things from Dubya.

you don't mention the snide and sideways comments that were made on both
sides, either... those, by themselves, were antagonizing and tweaking the
other individual and were specifically designed to... someone started it by
it seems that no one has the balls or desire to be the better man and
finish it by simply stopping...

 RC> You tell me I shouldnt be judging him, why is he allowed to judge
 RC> me? 

i'm not saying that he is allowed to do such... IIRC, i wrote to both of
you several years back about this same thing and specifically stated that
at least one of you could out do the other by being the better man and
simply stopping the shit slinging... 

 ml> your attitude about those who have landed in jail for one reason or
 ml> another is rather telling... and truly sad in a way... especially
 ml> since it conveys the attitude that you are somehow better than they...
 ml> that, in itself, is at least one thing that places you in that
 ml> spotlight of non-purity...

 RC> When it comes to contrasting oneself, based on the biographies he
 RC> has posted, because I was persecuted by him for not holding his
 RC> views on Iraq, you bet ya sweet bippee, I am, as are other, far
 RC> better than he.

and yet you sink lower and lower by attacking him incessantly... sorry...
you're not better than he or anyone else... neither am i or my father or
your father or anyone else, dead or alive, who has been on this rocky
planet we call earth...

 RC> Remember, all we have to go on in here is what others write, and
 RC> Wayne freely chose to throw out for public consumption, all the
 RC> sordid details of a life that was not full of wise choices. You
 RC> cannot complain about the consequences of doors Wayne chose to
 RC> open, no one made him do it.

i'm not complaining about anything... i'm trying to tell you guys that you
are acting like children and this crap won't stop until someone grows the
fuck up and decides to walk away from the shit like a real man...

 RC> If you dont want your neighbors seeing you and your wife nekkid,
 RC> then shut the curtains.

hahahahaha... what curtains? you look and i'll poke yer eyes out! :lol: no
really... what do i care if you look as long as you don't touch... and if
you don't like what you see, close your own damned curtains! ;)
hehehehehe...

)\/(ark