>>> Clarence Hogan on Universes 
 WE> That which is the universe is ever persistent clarity of mind,
 WE> orderly yet elusive.  Chaotic the multiverse, perpetually random
 WE> confusion persistently intruding upon the universe.  For respite from
 WE> both is the nulliverse, the never present, perceivable only at its
 WE> gateway transitions of sleep, death, birth, unconsciousness, and
 WE> trance.  Clarifying all of this, however, creates yet additional
 WE> confusion. 
 
 WE> No, there are pockets of chaos or as you might put it hell.  
 CH> Hummmmm, ok, now can you describe the pockets of chaos
Whenever you are agitated for example.
 
 CH> If you say so, but you sure could have fooled me for I thought that
 CH> mathematics explained it all!
Nope, as a matter of fact the actually proved that some things are 
undecidable and others uncomputable.  They also suspect that some things, tho 
computable, will take too long.
 
 CH> And just how do we go about applying these other attributes to the
 CH> universe itself?  Or do you consider the universe to be a thinking
 CH> entity?
Does the universe think?  Well if you're willing to assume that people 
actually do some thinking then as there are a bunch of them in the universe, 
then the universe does do some thinking.  
 CH> Hummmmm, since you have not defined multiverse and nulliverse as of
 CH> yet, I would be hard put to make any speculation as to the validity
 CH> of your statement here!
How about chaos and nothing? 
 CH> Since I have yet to comprehend the term nulliverse, how can I
 CH> possibly deny that which I do not fully understand?
You're getting it backwards.  The multiverse can't be fully understood.
As there nothing really to comprehend in the nulliverse, it's easy to deny.  
Here's a Zen koan.  Where is a man when he's asleep.
 CH> ... Once upon a time there was no time and so it shall be again!  :)
In no time at all time began for its time had come.
... I think, therefore the universe thinks.
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