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Part II
 SA>         So to the question of proving cheating....
 
 SA>         Tell me how does one prove cheating?  To our eyes you
 SA> only
 SA>         acuse as so many others have tried in leagues world
 SA> wide.
 SA>         But wheres the proof.  A LC can only do so much to
 SA> investigate
 SA>         and so much to prove this or that.  Its YOUR burden of
 SA> proof
 SA>         to prove the cheating.  Did you?  Not to our eyes
 SA> frankly.
 
We never did understand that. That board would go down
for a week or two at a time, anytime it lost the edge in a war
down it would go. The attacking boards would in the meantime
have all their military out and then they would conveniently
go back up, send multiple gooies, and their growth rate had
continually grown while they were "down". This proved that
they were playing the game while they were "down". We
showed you what their net value was before they went "down"
and how it had risen substantially while they were "down".
You or Mark said it was inconclusive, that was a crock of crap.
They knew what they were doing, we knew what they were
doing and I am sure YOU knew what they were doing also.
 
All this about settings I clipped because it is irrelevant. If I
had the time or inclination or desire to be a cheater, all these
settings could be conformed to and still be cheating my ass off.
You or anybody else would not know any different. What I find
a bit amusing is that these guys that think they are so clever
think they can get away with this stuff and nobody knows
how they do it. Wrong! 
 
 SA>         * Boards going up and down:
 SA>           I saw you complain to Mark about boards that went up
 SA>           and down.  Guess what that happens ALL the time.  You
 SA>           can't tell me whereever you get fido or other
 
Yes that was one of the main complaints. Sure boards might have
a problem occassionally for a day or maybe even a few days, so
what? What we were pointing out is EVERY time, I can only 
remember there was one board that was a main abuser, they
would lose the edge in a battle they would go down time and time
and time again. When they went back "up", their networth had
grown substantially which is a major indicator that they weren't
down at all. They may have manipulated it so that they didn't
have any packets to send so as to support they were down but
they were still playing the game.
 
 SA>           Should you unfairly kick a board out for valid
 SA> problems?
 SA>           No.  I definitely disagree with your belief there.
 
You never understood then. I never said to unfairly kick a board
out because they had a problem. I suggested that if a board
goes up and down and up and down or just down for a set
amount of days throughout the game period that they be reset
and not allowed to play the remainder of THAT game.
This would eliminate in it's entirety the problem being encountered.
 
 SA>           I can see your point that a board may 'fake' down
 SA> time.
 SA>           I've seen that once or twice over the years.  But
 SA> bring
 SA>           me the proof.  How? Show me the board is indeed up
 SA> and
 SA>           players are in bre and can login but can't say send
 SA>           mail.  Then we'll deal with that board as a possible
 SA>           cheater.  Till then hard to prove.
 
That is NOT hard at all to do. That is exactly what we did and
you and/or Hoover ignored it. You did not have the balls to
enforce a rule that would eliminate that form of cheating.
 
 SA>         * Packiet Holding:  Probaly the top #1 problems of so
 SA>           been in.  Those are somewhat easy to track due to
 
Very lame and yes, VERY easy to detect.
 
 SA>           and events itself.  But did you get online and show
 SA> any
 SA>           captures of such discrepacies?  No.  unfournately not
 SA>           to my knowledge.
 
Yes, I did per your request. Apparently it was a waste of my time.
 
 SA>           the case.  Lost attacks have been shown for years to
 SA> be
 SA>           hit and miss.  During the early days of this very
 
Yes that does happen. It does not happen very frequently but yes
I have seen that happen. It is so infrequent though unless there
is a major malfunction with the board's mailer that it usually 
does not cause much of a difference.
 
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