>> ... maybe
 >> you could learn something from other recent activities where
 >> folkkept pushing and pushing and now see that the
 >> price paid is much  too high...

 WD> Are you referring to the verbal assault of one Janis Kracht
 WD> via the ¨back-channel on probably the most sympathetic and
 WD> popular RC in zone-2, Sean ¨Rima, and got him so
 WD> de-motivated/discouraged/disgusted that he withdraw ¨from
 WD> Fidonet in order to be safe from her abusing him?

no, i'm referring to m.v.d.v pushing that PC and now realizing that the
price was too high... those were his very words...

)\/(ark