From: Ellen K. 

That, your thread title to the contrary, you most certainly CAN read the
data you pay to create.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:33:54 -0500, Mike '/m'  wrote
in message :

>
>... and your point is?
>
>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:29:49 -0800, Ellen K.
> wrote:
>
>>So?   You can get it as a text file too, as previously noted.
>>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:46:56 -0500, Mike '/m'
 wrote in
>>message :
>>
>>>
>>>Then it's not on a single worksheet.
>>>
>>> /m
>>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:20 -0800, Ellen K.
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Include a WHERE condition and break it down.
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:23:26 -0500, Mike '/m'
 wrote in
>>>>message :
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Only up to the 65k row limit of Excel, among other things.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand, if they want to reach the most
people, why make it
>>>>>so difficult to get to the data?
>>>>>
>>>>> /m
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:43:27 -0800, Ellen K.
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have Excel, you should be able to use
MSQuery to get the Access
>>>>>>data anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:58:55 -0500, Mike '/m'
 wrote in
>>>>>>message :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subsequently, they put it up as CSV files.  No
Excel files were in
>>>>>>>sight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regardless, if they want to reach the most
people, why not use the
>>>>>>>version of MS Access that can reach the most people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:30:23 -0800, Ellen K.
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That information is available as text files
and I think also as an
Excel
>>>>>>>>spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:11:09 -0400, Mike
'/m'  wrote
in
>>>>>>>>message
:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I ran into a situation with the US gov
that was similar to that
>>>>>>>>>described by the honorable legislator
in Peru.  I wanted to download
>>>>>>>>>some nutrition data from the USDA site.
 Unfortunately, the data was
>>>>>>>>>in MS Access 2000 format.  My Access 97
would not read the file.  I
>>>>>>>>>wrote to the contact for the site and
the response I received was:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Thank you for your interest in
the USDA Nutrient Database for
>>>>>>>>>Standard Reference.  We understand that
not everyone uses MS Access
>>>>>>>>>2000, but chose it as a widely used
package that would provide an
>>>>>>>>>additional service to our users...."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In other words, ~tough luck~.  I cannot
read data that I pay my tax
>>>>>>>>>dollars to create.   Methinks the
Peruvian Congressman Edgar
>>>>>>>>>Villanueva was on the right track when
he wrote of not placing
>>>>>>>>>government data in the hands of a monopolist.
>>>>>>>>>http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/villanueva_to_ms.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I note the section entitiled "Free
access to public information by the
>>>>>>>>>citizen."    Why should I have to
pay in order to use data created
>>>>>>>>>with my tax dollars by my government?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:36:23 +0100,
"Adam Flinton"
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don't think so....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chinese do NOT want to be dependant
upon a US company. Heck would the
US gov
>>>>>>>>>>decide to use a Chinese OS where
they could not get the source?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's part of a longer terms move. I
don't think the Chinese are
convinced by
>>>>>>>>>>the RIAA/MPAA tack either. Every
piece of knowledge belongs to the
>>>>>>>>>>people..........Linux is providing
a nice conjoining of idealogy &
>>>>>>>>>>practicality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Mike '/m'"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:sho2muspr2470gsu7he1n93o5cj8k7k3vd{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A bigger concern is that China
is where Microsoft was looking for a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of growth to replace the
mature PC market here in the US and
>>>>>>>>>>> Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The China Linux project is not
good news for Microsoft.  On the
other
>>>>>>>>>>> hand, China may have its eye
on the many-multi-billion cash reserve
>>>>>>>>>>> that Microsoft has, and wants
a payout to stay with Windows, just
like
>>>>>>>>>>> Peru.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  /m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:47:38
+0100, "Adam Flinton"
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26737.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >"In last month's
report on a Chinese effort to build a home-grown
Win98,
>>>>>>>>>>we
>>>>>>>>>>> >appealed for further
enlightenment on the nature of the project.
Well,
>>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>> >taken a while, but a
kindly Chinese speaker has done some digging,
and
>>>>>>>>>>> >reveals it's Linux-based, and GPLed.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Thanks to the unnamed
translator for the following, and to Mark
for
>>>>>>>>>>passing
>>>>>>>>>>> >it on. The apparent
involvement of the Taiwanese government,
alongside
>>>>>>>>>>Linux
>>>>>>>>>>> >International, is
particularly interesting:
>>>>>>>>>>> >"
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Chinese inc
Taiwan.......where are lots of PC devices made
again...?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Adam
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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