> The FT-450D is an update 450 ... minor additions + the ATU is now
 > there by default, and is no longer optional. So if you buy a new one,
 > the ATU will be there. If you buy a used FT-450 (no D) you need to
 > check that the ATU option is installed.

Yep, that was my point, I think I was tired when I posted that last time and it
 went a bit sideways..  I had a FT-450 non D that had the auto tuner installed.
  It was a nice radio, previous owner had the tx opened.. he was a ham but also
 did freeband CB...  Personally I find it easier to use a real CB as a CB then
mess with a good ham rig.  I have a nice Cobra 135xlr for when i want to do
that..  usualy to see if roads are bad..

--- RA2+ FMail