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Hi, Anton Shepelev! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 29.04.2020 01:55


 AS>>> It is not so simple, because many deathds due to COVID-19 have
 AS>>> been caused by various compications and aggravations of pre-
 AS>>> existent chronic illnesses, often on the background of a weak
 AS>>> immune system. Are you familliar with the chaos theory and its
 AS>>> herarchy of causes?

 ak>> You don't hear me -- I have already told you that flu also
 ak>> aggravates many chronic illnesses, but nobody blames flu for
 ak>> deaths from that many illnesses. Present day statistic about
 ak>> covid19 deaths is not correct.

 AS> I am sorry. Now I see what you mean and wonder how you know that
 AS> the death-attribution (what is the right term?) methods for the
 AS> common flu and for COVID-19 are so very different?

Some Americans see it this way:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths
-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause
or
https://fxn.ws/2JKBDDX

 AS> Another question -- do I understand your paragraph above as
 AS> implying the World Health Organisation, and the governments of all
 AS> the affected states are in collustion about using widely different
 AS> standards for accouting deaths due to COVID-19 and due to all other
 AS> diseases?

 ak>> I told you that WHO ordered that covid19 deaths to be counted
 ak>> differently than deaths of flue/pneumonia.

 AS> I missed it. Where did you say that? Did you provide a reference to
 AS> an official WHO regulation?

I don't know where they store their documents. But most countries now
count covid19 deaths as I had told.


 AS>>> You seem to imply that we have changed the method of calculating
 AS>>> deaths due to COVID-19. If so, what evidence do you have of it?
 ak>> Read it in Russian: https://www.svoboda.org/a/30574844.html

 AS> Although I am chary of reading such openly rusophobic resources,
 AS> this article was not bad. It even has a very good explanation and
 AS> justification of the new death-accounting method. I have no
 AS> objections. It is not a dirty trick, as you call it, but a way to
 AS> account deaths that would not have happened then and there if the
 AS> person had not contracted the virus. Even with the corrections for
 AS> this method of calculation, the author of that article esitmates
 AS> the lethality of COVID as up to 10 times higher than that of the
 AS> common flu.

Who can know "covid19 style" flu death rate if flu was never accused for
chronic people deaths? Most sick people with variety of illnesses have
poor immunity, they often catch cold, pneumonia and they die. But it is
the main chronic illness that had diminished their immunity, not flu!
The same can be told about covid19.


 ak>> The US does numerous tests for covid19 antibodies - the marks that
 ak>> a person has recovered from the virus. The tests show that a huge
 ak>> number of people have such antibodies and their illness was not
 ak>> registered when they were ill.

 AS> Very well, but how come these people are "out of statistics", if
 AS> they have been tested?

Now there is only a rough approach -- the results of antibodies tests
are approximated to all the population.


 AS>>> Do you realise that it is not only old people that die by COVID?
 AS>>> The first reporter of the beginning pandemic, now China's and the
 AS>>> World's hero Li Winliang, died of the virus at 33:
 ak>> Every rule have exceptions.

 AS> These are not, strictly speaking, exceptions. The relatively low
 AS> (yes statistically stable) death rate among the young is not a
 AS> reason at all to risk their lives. They may be "exceptions" to some
 AS> cabinet statistician or a soulless government official in Sweden,
 AS> but they are dearly loved ones to their friends and relatives. What
 AS> will you say to them -- I am sorry, but your brother died because
 AS> he turned out to be an exception to our staticical distribution?

Well, if people think as you they will stop the world every winter to
isolate people from tens of thousand deaths from cold disease. It is
demagogy, and it is funny to hear it.


 ak>> Every years tens of thousand people dies from cold.
 AS> They freeze to death?

In English the word "cold" is also an illness. Usually it is flu or
acute viral respiratory infections.


 ak>>>> Under the constitution people can be ordered such things only
 ak>>>> after Emergency status has been introduced in the country.
 AS>>> Interesting. But it is a poor constituion that does not let the
 AS>>> government to defend its people from a pandemic without an all-
 AS>>> out emergecy.
 ak>> Law is law.

 AS> Tell, if you know, whether the police have the right to limit the
 AS> freedom of movement and travel of a man infected with some super-
 AS> lethal and super infectious disease, such as the black pox? IMHO,
 AS> they are oblived to do so in order to protect the other people's
 AS> rights for life. What do you think?

I think that doing it without law opens a vast possibilities for law
violation. Under cover of high words they can do whatever they like. It
must not be so.

 AS> Is it only the Russian "liberals" that turn to constituion when
 AS> everybody's first and foremost care should be of their own and
 AS> other's health?

 ak>> If there is the state of emergency the authority has right to
 ak>> demand people to comply with their orders, but people and business
 ak>> will get many possibilities to reduce its losses! As a force
 ak>> major, they could suspend rental, credit payment --

 AS> I think it would be *much* harder on the economy. Money is not made
 AS> out of nothing -- not rubles anyway.

Good justification. Apply resume to Putin! ;-)

 ak>> it is awful when people are prohibited from working but they
 ak>> should pay everything as usual.

 AS> In Russia, those prohibited from working are guarranteed to receive
 AS> theor usual monthly salary throughout their forced absence from
 AS> work due to the pandemic. Rent and credit relaxations are also
 AS> enacted.

You are probably from the Moon -- people survive in Russia as they only
can, and the vast majority of Russian economy is grey. Banks also don't
give credits to everybody in need -- they are not a charity. Putin also
refused to give money from state reserves to people who lost jobs.

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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