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from: Bock electronicmailfixto
date: 2005-03-26 16:49:00
subject: Re: The proper age for a man to become serious about finding

The sex part was correct. now we get to the good stuff.


>
> But most men want "more" - that "more" including
emotional closeness
> and trust. For lack of a better word - love.
>
Auh, no, control I think is the word you are looking for.

Love is defined in countless ways and is different things to different
people.

For instance, you can love a wife and not be particularly close in the
fact
that you think and act quite independently.  You can also believe you
are close
to a spouse but not necessarily trust them - totally - but none the less
love them.

> Something the typical feminist does not seem to have the capacity to
> give or even appreciate, so coiled is she to strike against evil
> oppressors.

Well, here again feminists come in a few billion varieties.  I think of
feminists
as being bright independent women who are as capable as the next person
of loving.

I don't think of feminists as being a yes, women to everything a man
says and does
and believes.  Since most men want to  and do marry women less bright
than they are and
especially that they earn less money, it is highly unlikely that most
men would ever
marry a feminist.  And that is why perhaps some feminists find if
difficult to find
a spouse.  There are not that many men who want to marry bright
independent thinking women.

> Which is why, ultimately, most men would prefer a good relationship
> over prostitution.

No, men want good safe sex without having to wear a condom to protect
from disease and
that usually requires a relationship.

> and most women prefer a good relationship over
> spreading it all around town.

No, most women can have regular sex with a nice guy simply by yes please
to the right married or single guy of their choosing.  But sexually
women
do not need and can handle sex without a partner much more easily than
men can.

Women want what men can bring to the relationship or table other than
sex and
therein lies the problem for some men.

>
> >
> > Single women are> > having children and continuing to work outside
> the
> > home.

Unless the women is a lesbian or lesbian with children, all single
parent women
are either divorced, widowed or just single and they all moan and groan
they are
looking for a nice guy to marry but again
the women don't talk about a lack of sex because that is not what they
are moaning
or groaning for.


> > >
> > > Which is harming those children.
> >
Sadly, there is truth to this statement but not because the woman is
single because
a marriage contract is just a piece of paper.  There are women who are
able to raise
children with a good male influence present to give both their daughters
and sons
a proper male influence for all its good and bad reasons to balance the
thought
processes and emotions necessary in the growth of an individual.  The
women who
do this best are usually but not necessarily some feminists who are
bright enough
and wealthy enough to accomplish this goal.  Most single women who are
not
feminists are not wealthy enough or independently thinking enough to see
it
that way.  A small number of religious women divorced or in the rare
event
single have also been able to see the importance of a male influence
have
been able to accomplish the goal in spite of modest economic means but
they
are usually bright women.


> > So you say, and yet there is NO PROOF at all that it is the single
> > nature of the woman that results in harm to children.

Very careful observation of life is that most women are strong inside
and outside
of marriage but that in those marriage where children are screwed up it
is the
alienation of the children by their father, the absence of men, weak
men, men who
disown their children emotionally and physically that results in them
being screwed up.
Yes, drug and alcoholic mothers do their share of harm, but as good and
as bad as mothers are,
they are usually present and do their best but men for a whole host of
reasons can and do more
easily abandon their children even if they are supporting them.


>  In fact, most
> > studies that show harm to childrren are about paternal abandonment
> and
> > poverty.
>
> There are subcultures which operate as you suggest. They are disasters
> of disease, violence and despair.


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