In article , r.soyack{at}verizon.net
says...
> "Mark Borgerson"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cae6c19beb8d711989727{at}news.comcast.giganews.com...
> > In article , dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> > says...
> > >
> > > Dave Symn (DSymnpathy{at}yahoo.comnope) writes:
> > > > On 25 Mar 2005 19:32:33 GMT, Andre Lieven wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dave Symn (DSymnpathy{at}yahoo.comnope) writes:
> > > >>> On 25 Mar 2005 07:50:05 -0800, greg1199{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Andre Lieven wrote:
> > > >>>>> "Society"
(Society{at}feminism.is.invalid) writes:
> > > >>>>>> Those who need this hint know who they are!
> > > >>>> [...]
> > > >>>>>> "lukne"
 wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>
news:1111636206.671309.208160{at}g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>> [...]
> > > >>>>> Sure, and we can easily see the same
right now. How
> > > >>>>> many media outlets are reporting on the folly of
> > > >>>>> guarding an over 6 foot ex linebacker
with a 5 foot
> > > >>>>> grandmother, V/ all the attention given
to the female
> > > >>>>> hostage who " calmed " the
perp after that start ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The most ridiculous part was when that
cowed ninny gave a press
> > > >>>> conference saying, "Women can do
whatever men can do."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A better and more accurate way to put that
might be, "Women can
> sometimes
> > > >>> do whatever men can do, except produce sperm,
and men can sometimes
> do
> > > >>> whatever women can do, except give birth"
but thats not very
> marketable.
> > > >>
> > > >> That'd be nice and PC, but the simple record of
" equality " says
> that
> > > >> thats not true. Women cannot outplay men in any
sport, they cannot
> outwork
> > > >> men in any physical field of endeavour, so the
facts make hash out of
> this
> > > >> longer form.
> > > >
> > > > some women can outplay some men in some sports,
> > >
> > > So, how come no women in sport, want to play a championship against
> > > their sport's mens teams... ?
> > >
> > > > altho it may well be an uncommon thing.
> > >
> > > No, its a greatly uncommon thing. If it were common, women's teams
> > > would *demand* to play championships against their sport's mens teams.
> > >
> > > Look at the Feminist try to " integrate " the
Augusta golf club. Did
> > > they offer to *give up* the one sex only LPGA ? Nope !
> > >
> > > > same thing about the outworking.
> > >
> > > No proof offered ? Claim fails.
> > >
> > > >>> In this particular case, the folly was not in
the giving the guard
> duty
> > > >>> to a female, but, giving the guard duty to a
small, older,
> presumably
> > > >>> physically weak person.
> > > >>
> > > >> That the NYFD didn't lower it's working standards,
thus they got
> almost
> > > >> no women firefighters, speaks for itself. Women
cannot compete in
> many,
> > > >> many areas, with men. Its folly and fiction to
suggest otherwise.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > that doesnt change the fact that Brian Nichols
overpowered the guard
> not
> > > > becuase it was female, but because it was small and weak and old.
> > >
> > > AND female... Whihc *is why* that guard was " small and
weak and old. "
> > >
> > > > Same
> > > > kinda man in the same situation, might have gotten his
head punched in
> > > > like a beachball, too.
> > >
> > > But, remove " affirmative action ", and employers
would be free to use
> > > the *right kinds of people as guards*. There'd be none of
this nonsense
> > > of " small women can do what big and capable men do " crap.
> > >
> > > > all said and done, if i'm sick and in the hospital, i'd
rather have a
> > > > female nurse, than a male one.
> > >
> > > Well then, you're a sexist. Me, I'd want the best nurse, no matter
> > > their sex. Period. And, as nursing doesn't routinely demand that
> > > it's practicioners be linebackers, then a female nurse doesn't worry
> > > be a bit. The same for a male nurse.
> > >
> > > But, when it comes to guards... then yes, size and *power* does
> > > count.
> > >
> > > > maybe thats some kinda psychological problem on my part,
> > >
> > > No " maybe " about it...
> > >
> > > > but hey, there it is.
> > >
> > > OK: You're *biased* against some men. Got it.
> > >
> > > > On the other hand, if my car is broken, i dont go looking for a
> "gestator".
> > >
> > > Good, so you're not totally biased...
> > >
> > > > I look for a car repair shop and lo and
> > > > behold! 99.9999999999999999999999% of them are male owned and
> operated.
> > >
> > > Why do you suppose that is so ? Could it be that men both can do the
> > > jobs, and are willing to put up with the discomforts that, say, the
> > > female dominated job of teacher doesn't have to ?
> > >
> > > > The one i've been to that was supposedly female owed
and operated, had
> > > > guy mechanics in the back doing the work.
> > >
> > > Of course; Its easy to wear a smock and take keys in. Its another to
> > > actually fix a car. When I go to car shops, the only place I see
> > > women in, is in the front desk, key taking smocks.
> >
> > When I first saw the woman behind the desk who handed me the keys
> > after the clutch replacement,  I had the same thought.  But she
> > was wearing coveralls like everyone else---and her fingernails were
> > shorter, and had more grease under them than mine.  It was also
> > her initials in the "performed by" column.   It may be rare,
> > but some women do find those $20+/hour  wages worth the cost
> > of the training and the time spent washing up after work.
> >
> > It seems my shop is a low-overhead operation.  There is no
> > dedicated front-desk person.   A computer program handles
> > the bookkeeping and the  person handing you the bill and taking
> > the check is usually the mechanic who did the work.    If you're
> > not satisfied,  you know who to talk to.
>
> That's very unusual.  Small auto shop owners usually don't want anyone but
> them handling the money.
>
I'm not sure how to take that.  Most small shops that take in money have
a number of people who handle the cash register.  There are accounting
procedures to keep track of where the money goes.  This is certainly
the case with small retail shops.

Perhaps my auto repair shop is unusual in that the owner is still
an active mechanic.  It would seem rather counter-productive to
pull him out from under a chassis to come into the office to
accept the check for a repair which another mechanic is discussing
with the customer.

I don't think there's much chance of money jumping into someone's
pocket.  After all, who pays for a new clutch with a handful
of 20's?   I expect that 95% of their revenue is in the form
of checks or credit card payments.  With perhaps a dozen
transactions per day for the 4 mechanics,  and a computerized
record of each transaction,  the opportunity for fraud seems
minimal.

If the owner can't trust the mechanic with a $300 check,  I
wouldn't want to trust him (or her) with my $15,000 car.


Mark Borgerson




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