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Date: 01-23-98 (16:17)             Number: 195
From: JACK SARGEANT                Refer#: NONE
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 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:33:33 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:43:56 -0500
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto 
From: John Velez 
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:42:14 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto 
>From: Steven Kaeser 
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing
>>From: BGBOPPER  [Russ Estes]
>>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:13 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing
>>Hello List,
>>I would like to add a few comments from a Media point of view.
>>First:
>>Not all of the folks in the media misrepresent. Editing is
>>necessary due to the limitations of time.
>>Second:
>>Some do! Unless you live in a cave you know very well who the
>>misrepresenters are. (They have been doing it for years and they
>>still are!)
>>Third:
>>I would not consider insulting the intelligence of old media pros
>>such as, Stan Friedman, Darrell Simms, Yvonne Smith, etal, by
>>saying that they didn't know what they were getting into. Of
>>course they did!  They have all done it many, many times before.
>>And many times for the same producers and programs. (Bob Kiviat)
>>(Sightings, A&E, TLC, Sci-Fi, Channel, and more talk show hosts
>>than I care to list) and each time they signed a standard
>>industry release allowing the producers to edit as they please.
>>Fourth:
>>If you don't want to be misquoted or misrepresented don't sit
>>down for interviews!
>>As a person who sticks cameras in people's faces for a living I
>>know all about the lure of the spotlight. I am also aware of the
>>dubious practice of sucking someone onto a program under false
>>pretenses. Years ago I was asked to appear on the Montel Williams
>>Show. The topic was to be the Government involve- ment in UFO
>>coverups and they wanted a documentarians point of view. It was
>>not the topic at all but rather a typical confronta- tional show
>>with the "Good Guys vs the Bad Guys." full of misquotes and B.S.
>>editing.
>>Fool me once...shame on you!
>>Fool me twice...shame on me!
>>Last but not least:
>>Kudos to John Velez for knowing better and shining it on!
>>Keep an open mind,
>>Russ Estes
>Russ-
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Hi Steve, Errol, All,
Steve writes,
>In this genre, most of the researchers have been interviewed by
>numerous groups and have little or no idea where some of those
>interviews will end up.

> I believe that it is UPN that should bear the brunt of our anger.
Right on Steve! They were deceptive. Intentionally so
I believe. Here's a 'bit' from an e-mail that I recieved
from one of the producers. It was in response to my
"hinting" (you guys know how -subtle- I can be! )
that they had been -less than honest- with me, and the
general public. Check this out!
This is a direct quote, I have not altered or added or
taken away a thing.
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>I was on the independent rescue crew that made the
>documentary around the fake video.  We worked for
>30 days and nights before the air date, and we tried to
>make at least a polyester purse out of a pig's ear --
>basically by adding information to what was a
>stultifying 90-minute big-budget student film that
>was a lot more insulting and had EVEN WORSE special
>effects!
(Bad enough right? Now get this! JV)
>We are all surprised that anyone -- especially people
>in the know, like yourself -- were taken in for a moment.
>If such a tape were real, it wouldn't be the subject of
>prime time entertainment -- it would be news.
(Quote from e-mail from Robin Snelson, Production
assistant to me. JV)
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Wow! Unbelievable attitude right? Here's my response.
>First, . . . of all the "experts" you contacted -I- was
>the only one that wasn't "taken in" (and that from the
>very beginning!) You're not being fair or honest Robin.
>This e-mail is the very first time you mentioned that
>the video was a "student film." (FAKE)
>Until -now- that little bit of vital info was (conveniently)
>witheld!
>Secondly, It was -me- that told -you- not to "personalize"
>my comments! I -know- you don't have anything to do with
>how UPN hypes its programs. But by the same token you
>didn't go out of your way (while trying to "recruit" me)
>-to inform me- that the video was a fake either!
>>> Continued to next message
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