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to: Robert Comer
from: Mike `/m`
date: 2002-11-30 19:48:24
subject: Re: Most Unsecure OS? Yep, It`s Linux

From: Mike '/m' 


There are programs in UNIX that need to, say, open a port <1024.  On
UNIX the rule is that you need to be root in order to open a port under
1024.  So the entire program ran at root level all the time.

The OpenBSD team are going through all the binaries and fixing the programs
so that the amount of time they run as root is only the time necessary to
perform the priviledged operations, then the priviledge of the program is
dropped to that of a mere user.

For example, when I connect to my server using ssh, the daemon on the
server spawned a process that ran as root and did the ssh stuff for me. 
Now, the daemon on the server spawns a process with the priviledge level of
my account.

Lots of other areas are being modified in this manner.


Another neat feature is the systrace command.  This effectively applies
access-control lists to system calls.
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=systrace&sektion=1


  /m


On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:57:14 -0500, "Robert Comer"
 wrote:

>>...priviledge reduction arena.
>
>?
>
>- Bob Comer
>
>
>"Mike '/m'"  wrote in message
>news:shjiuucoiq77f2hk45mvtova3pu24sp2ia{at}4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:38:00 -0500, "Robert Comer"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >> My point was, that open/closed source leaves the average Joe in the
>same
>> >> situation - neither one is automagically more secure than
the other.
>> >
>> >And I agree with that point.
>> >
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, the OpenBSD folk have done and are doing some very
>> nice work in the priviledge reduction arena.
>>
>>  /m
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"Antti Kurenniemi"
 wrote in message
>> >news:3de8fdc4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>> >> news:3de8eeef{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> > > Provided that I am good enough at programming
to even find
>> >> > > what's wrong, let alone to understand the fix.
>> >> >
>> >> > You seem like you are to me, but if you aren't
that's okay too, find
>> >> > someone you trust and get them to test it if you
don't trust it.
>> >>
>> >> My point was, that open/closed source leaves the average Joe in the
>same
>> >> situation - neither one is automagically more secure than
the other.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Antti Kurenniemi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

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