TR>>> She is eligible for welfare, food stamps, medical services
TR>>> and housing for her baby, *supposedly* a U.S. citizen. But
TR>>> she's deported back to Mexico. So her welfare check and
TR>>> food stamps are mailed to her in Mexico.

bk>>>They do? Now that one I never heard of.

tr>> It happens. Or at least it did. There was a big brohaha
tr>> over it some time back. It was a large part of what
tr>> proposition 187 was all about.

BK>>Ok, some welfare is state run, so that may have been a
BK>>California thing.

 TR> A federal court here in California declared most of prop
 TR> 187 unconstitutional. On what grounds I don't know.

 I am wondering why the checks would be sent out of the country
 anyway. That is what I was thinking about. I have never heard of
 that before.

 TR> First she (the judge) put a restraining order on it. The
 TR> parts that required authorities to verify legal status
 TR> prior to granting welfare benefits, she called
 TR> `unauthorized enforcement of federal laws'.

 Uh... was that appealed? I wonder because the states
 administered that particular benefit, so making sure it was
 legal would be a proper state function.

 TR> So much for that.

 TR> The problem she had with it was the reporting of illegal
 TR> status to federal authorities, and the denial of welfare
 TR> and medical services based on illegal alien status! WTF!

 I can see doing emergency medical care, but reporting to proper
 authorities sounds like a duty, not an option.

tr>> We don't *owe* Mexico anything. *We* created this country,
tr>> and if Mexicans want what we have here, let them have the
tr>> guts to stand up and fight for it in their own nation.

BK>>And they will say, it's the US drug trade fueling the violence
BK>>there, and US gun sellers providing the guns the drug gangs are
BK>>using.

 TR> If they policed their side of the border, and dealt with
 TR> *their* narcotics exportation* problem, there wouldn't *be*
 TR> a US drug trade to speak of in the first place.

 Yeah, there would. They come in all sorts of ways. Thought they
 might just suggest they don't feel obligated to enforce our laws
 if we won't do so.

 TR> As for gun sellers, thats a lot of hogwash put out by the
 TR> Sarah Brady bunch, echoed by the likes of Boxer and
 TR> Feinstein in Congress.

 TR> The vast majority of the firearms Mexican drug runners use
 TR> don't even come from the US. They are mainly stolen, if not
 TR> outright supplied, by the Mexican army!

 As to that, I want to know how it is verified.

tr>> Mexico is still mainly in the hands of the big land owners,
tr>> the money-movers, and the drug lords.

BK>>And near the border it's more and more drug lords.

 TR> Americans living near the border need to arm themselves and
 TR> protect their property.

 And form associations for mutual protection.

tr>> There are places in Mexico where people live in such
tr>> poverty as to make our worst ghetto look like paradise by
tr>> comparision.

tr>> make it better for themselves and their children, that
tr>> isn't America's problem. And we shouldn't be  punished for
tr>> their lack of courage.

BK>>Again, Americans are providing the money the drug lords use to
BK>>buy the guns Americans provide. They have the guns, the others
BK>>can't do much about it.

 TR> They don't get the majority of their guns from America.

 That was not the issue in that last paragraph. Wherever they get
 them they have the guns.

 TR> They are coming from source below the border. Much of the
 TR> sophisticated weaponry drug runners have are military
 TR> hardware. Provided no doubt by the Mexican army!

 The sophisticated weapons, maybe, but ordinary rifles and
 pistols?

BK>>The golden rule should be the gun rule. He who has the guns
BK>>makes the rules.

 TR> Americans have guns. They should be allowed to start using
 TR> them.

 True.


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