BK>>>  Israel took land from a country that had no right to it?

 MG> It should be noted here that the people who lived in what
 MG> the Ottoman Turks called Syria (what we call today "the
 MG> Middle East") were the equivalent of American Share
 MG> croppers. They didn't own the land they lived on. All of

 Now she claims not one Palestinian owned his land? They were all
 sharecroppers? And just how this justifies taking their land has
 yet to be explained.

 She does need some evidence to back up her claims. Even in the
 US South, while many blacks were sharecroppers, many also owned
 land.

 MG> the land was owned by pashas living in the more settled
 MG> cities of Europe like Istanbul. There was no modern

 None of the Pashas lived in settled cities of Asia, like
 Istanbul?

 And again, what does she have to back up her claim that *ALL*
 the land of Palestine was owned by these Pashas?

 As to it being called "Syria", the Jewish National Fund referred
 to it as Palestine in 1901, when the fund was founded. Other,
 prominent, Jewish writers did so before that.

 MG> restructured in Syria at that time. Beginning in the early
 MG> 19th century Jews from Russia, Poland and other eastern
 MG> European countries bought land in Eretz Ysrael from these
 MG> pashas.

 In the early 1800s? And when did they move there? How many? How
 much land? It is a historical fact that Jews were in Israel
 since long before that time, and their decendants have been
 among those opposed to the restoration of Israel.

 MG> No land was stolen from so called false
 MG> "palestinians" it is impossible to take something from
 MG> someone who didn't own it and especially when it has been
 MG> bought from those who actually *DID* own it.

 If she had any evidence at all, she might have an arguement.
 What she does not have is any credibility at all, since she
 insists on calling the Palestinians "false Palestinians". In
 trying to define an entire people out of existance she is guilty
 of bigotry.

 BA>> There was no national government in Palestine in 1948.  The area had
 BA>> not been autonomous for over a century as it had been part
 BA>> of the Ottoman

 MG> Far more than a century. Here's a timeline for the Ottoman
 MG> Empire

 Autonomous is not the definition of a people. The US was not
 autonomous until after the American revolution. Before that it
 was owned by England for hundreds of years, and occupied by
 people who had no European style notion of ownership for ten
 thousand, or even tens of thousands of years.

 MG> http://tinyurl.com/2ksjx

 BA>> Empire.  After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire following WW I the area
 BA>> was administered by Britain.  While the Israelis *formed* a nation

 MG> England administered part of the former lands, those parts
 MG> which today are called Israel and Jordan. The other parts
 MG> were administered by France.

 And neither owned it. An administrator is obligated to
 administor the land for the benefit of the occupants, not for
 anyone else's benefit. Especially not their own.

 BA>> there, there
 BA>> had been no independent nation there for several centuries.

 BK>>> And how does that give them any rights?

 BA>> Israelis and Arabs living peacefully in Israel have rights.  The Israeli
 BA>> governments (and FTM all governments) have powers.  It's an organized
 BA>> government that exercises control over the area, that's all that's
 BA>> required.

 MG> There are Arabic members of the Knesset, there are Arab run
 MG> schools that are 100% funded by the Israeli government. It
 MG> bears repeating that Arab Israeli citizens have the highest
 MG> standard of living and the most freedom than any other Arab
 MG> living in any other Arab country.

 And yet they still do not feel equal to Jewish citizens. As per
 Mimi's favorite website, masada2000.org.

 MG> Have I mentioned how pleasant it is to read someone who
 MG> actually knows something about the history of the Middle
 MG> East and doesn't just spout false propaganda spread by the
 MG> media?

 IOW, someone who shares Mimi's false propaganda denying the very
 existance of the Palestinians.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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