mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> Hyerdahl wrote:
> > greg1...{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > bluesmama wrote:
> > > > greg1199{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > Yeah, that gives me a chuckle as well.  Like the woman
pretends
> > to
> > > be> > a modern, liberal, corporate goddess, then tells me she's
> "old
> > > > > fashioned" as we approach the restaurant.
> > > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > No one except the woman in question knows her motivations, but
it
> > > just
> > >
> > > Fair enough.
> > >
> > > > occurred to me - what if she was using the first date to see
what
> > > this> > guy's limits were, as far as how far he was willing to
> > compromise > himself in order to (possibly)laid? Frankly, a guy I
can
> > walk all over > is not a guy I'd want to date twice,
> > >
> > > Ah hah!!  Such refreshing honesty.
> >
> > I would imagine that would be true of most women, that a man she
> could
> > "walk all over" would not be appealing.  However, that
also doesn't
> > mean she'd want a controlling man either.
> >
> > >
> > > > I prefer a man with a strong sense
> > > > of himself and some firm boundaries. It's hard to have any
> respect
> > > for > someone who, instead of being assertive (not aggressive,
that
> > would> > turn me off too, unless it was in the right situation, but
> > let's not> go
> > >
> > > No matter how many women mislead us as to what they want, there
> will
> > > always be a few who tell the real story.
> >
> > The real story is that women want men with their OWN moral code; no
> > woman wants to be a mother to her lover.  :-)  IF a man has a
> piss-poor
> > moral code a woman should simply reject such a man, not because the
> man
> > can't be manipulated, but because he, himself has a problem.
> >
> > > The moral, gentlemen?  Stand your ground.  Be nice to yourself.
> Let
> > > her storm off in a huff.  Eventually, you'll find one who doesn't
> > storm
> > > off in a huff, or perhaps one who just wanted to see whether you
> hold
> > > yourself in high regard, as you should.
> >
> > A man who holds himself in higher regard than his companion is just
a
> > boorish prig.  Women won't like that either.  However, no woman
will
> > ever respect a man who can be manipulated OR one who doesn't
equally
> > respect her.
>
> HAHAHAHA!
>
> How can a man who is not a "boorish prig" keep women from
> acting badly the moment she senses she can get away with it?
> You want men to accept respnosibility for keeping women from
> running around with scissors but at the same time shocked
> that there are so many sexists are out there who don't view women
> as their equals.

No one can keep anyone else from doing anything, but then apparently
you have some fantasies about control it might be interesting to
discuss.

> As usual, you want things both ways.  I'm happy things worked
> out for Bluesmomma but I wouldn't be surprised to learn
> that other game-players wound up with BJD DVD's to watch
> for Valentines day.

Things have worked out pretty well for me, I must admit. I'm loved and
I love, I'm relatively healthy, have enough to eat and a roof over my
head and a few pretty things to look at. I wouldn't consider myself to
be a "games-player", which you seem to be implying, but then again,
maybe everyone is, in some way.



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