cv wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:13:55 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
>
> >
> > cv wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:44:06 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > cv wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:52:59 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > cv wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:51:29 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > cv wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:49:35
-0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > cv wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005
09:01:37 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hardpan wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> THE RULES
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > This is undoubtedly
one of the saddest things I've
ever
> >> > read.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I take it that you
haven't heard of the bestseller
"The
> >> > Rules"
> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> >> > Ellen
> >> >> >> >> >> Fein, Sherrie Schneider?
This book set the ball
rolling
> > by
> >> >> >> > promising
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> teach women the
power-play needed to snag a man. Or
were
> > you
> >> >> > less
> >> >> >> >> > saddened
> >> >> >> >> >> by that?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Besides, women's
magazines are overflowing with tricks
to
> >> > hook
> >> >> >> > guys,
> >> >> >> >> > are
> >> >> >> >> >> you saddened by that too?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > Life is
> >> >> >> >> >> > short, and
uncertain, and there's no guarantee that
> >> > there's
> >> >> >> >> > anything
> >> >> >> >> >> > beyond this life --
so to spend precious time on
such
> >> >> > bitterness
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> >> > such a terrible
waste of time and energy.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Check out
alt.seduction.fast or www.fastseduction.com.
> > These
> >> >> > guys
> >> >> >> > are
> >> >> >> >> >> busy refining their
"rules" and are delighted with the
> >> > results.
> >> >> >> > They
> >> >> >> >> > are
> >> >> >> >> >> not bitter in the least.
This stuff works very well,
> >> >> > apparently,
> >> >> >> >> > which is
> >> >> >> >> >> quite a commentary on the
modern western woman.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Weren't you of the
opinion that women were not
> > responsible
> >> > for
> >> >> >> > taking
> >> >> >> >> >> advantage of men's
chivalry? Isn't it ironic that a
> > person
> >> > such
> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >> >> should feel sad on
reading a few "rules"?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> -CV
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Whether it's bitterness by
women aimed at men, at other
> > women
> >> > or
> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >> > themselves - or bitterness by
men aimed at women, at
other
> >> > men
> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >> > themselves -- it's always sad.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> But these guys are hardly bitter,
if anything they are
> > relieved
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> excited. Whatever bitterness they
do exhibit is limited
to
> >> > their
> >> >> > past
> >> >> >> >> experiences as nice-guys who were
taken advantage of.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Besides, women's magazines are dripping with
"relationship
> >> >> > advice",
> >> >> >> > would
> >> >> >> >> you also describe them as dripping
with bitterness? That
> > would
> >> >> > make a
> >> >> >> >> large population of western women
bitter with men.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I think you have this whole
bitterness thing wrong.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -CV
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You seem to have a problem with an
assertion central to
most
> > of
> >> > my
> >> >> >> > posts, that men and women are both
capable of the best and
> > the
> >> >> > worst.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > These guys either are or aren't bitter
- your first two
> >> > sentences
> >> >> > seem
> >> >> >> > to contradict each other, because they
can't be both. They
> > may
> >> >> >> > certainly be bitter in addition to
other things, such as
> >> > relieved
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > excited (at the thought of all those
cowed women they'll
soon
> > be
> >> >> >> > bedding)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Parenthetically, women excel at emotional
cowing. Men, as a
> > group,
> >> >> > can't
> >> >> >> hold a candle to women, as a group, in this regard.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -CV
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll agree there, but ask you - do you think
women excel at
> >> > emotional
> >> >> > forms of control because that's what works, and
also because
> > they
> >> > can't
> >> >> > compete (mostly) with how men can use physical forms of
control?
> >> >>
> >> >> This was true in the past, men can't use physical force
anymore.
> >> >
> >> > Men can and do use physical force to control (and physically
strong
> >> > women can and do as well) but it's just not as socially
acceptable.
> >> > Emotional force used to control (most often used by women) just
> > needs
> >> > to be tamed by the same social controls.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yet the only one's complaining about emotional force are women of
the
> >> Domestic Violence industry. They have coined terms like "emotional
> >> violence" and "financial violence." These
terms are, of course,
only
> >> applied against men. Goes to show that feminists are a special
> > interest
> >> group, they have no genuine interest in equality.
> >>
> > Sounds like you're complaining about emotional force, and applying
it
> > solely to women. How is that different?
>
> Not solely, but mostly. As you yourself admitted, women use emotional
> force more effectively than men.

Well first of all, just because I believe something doesn't make it so,
it's just my take on the situation. But yes, I do believe that women
are more likely to use emotional force, and men to use physical force,
and both often use those forces to control others, or at least attempt
to control others.

I've known some women who used physical force, and some men who could
have written books on passive-aggressive manipulation, but they're the
exceptions in my experience. I guess if you're set on trying to control
someone you'll use whatever suits you best.



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