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to: TED BARNES
from: STEVE KEMP
date: 1997-07-27 15:52:00
subject: Re: Marijuana

TB> SK> Why would I go to an A.A. meeting? I'm not a Christian. I have
TB> SK> been to R.R. meetings, though. And I am a recovering drug user. 
TB>Huh??????
TB>Why wouldn't you attend A.A. meetings?
I already stated why.
TB> You have stated you are a recovering drug user, alcohol is
TB>a drug. You belong in A.A. if you choose.
No I don't. I disagree with its principles. The 12 steps, that is. 
TB> No you don't have to go.
My, how generous of you.
TB>What does being a Christian have to do with A.A. ?
TB>Are you concerned about the Lord's Prayer at closing?
Seems you just answered the question. Isn't the Lords Prayer a Christian 
thing? Isn't a belief in a "Higher Power" religion? The thing is, I'd 
rather not sell out my principles to attain recovery. Where I go I need 
not do so.
TB>You know you don't have to say it. No where in the literature of A.A.
TB>does it associate with any religion, infact it states the opposite.
Most of the 12 steps refer to a "Higher Power"...I believe in none. It 
also stated that one is powerless to change, I disagree.
TB>The only requirement is a desire to be sober.
That's fine. It's the message and methods that I disagree with.
TB>I belieev you need to do a little ground work with your recovery
I know what I believe. If YOU had done any groundwork you might have 
heard of R.R. (Rational Recovery). THAT is where I go. If fits my 
personal belief system. A.A. does not.
TB>or you might find your self somewhere where you don't want to be.
If I were to go to A.A. I would be somewhere I don't want to go.
TB>Btw, Yes I go to A.A. have been sober for over 6 years, short time
TB>I have to say, but it is sober never the less. I used all drugs
TB>available from a very young age up to my 30's so I do have extensive
TB>experience with drugs.
As do I. Alcohol, also. Oh, and congratulations (I mean this). I've been 
clean and sober for 1 1/2 years. 
TB> A.A. works for all.
Not for me, so you are incorrect.
A little less judgmental attitude might help you on your way. A.A. ISN'T 
for everyone. Many people find it victimizing in it's outlook (the 
powerless part, and thus the having to be a victim for life). The 
"Higher Power" part in it's 12 steps is a slap in the face of atheists 
and freethinkers. R.R. is much more self-empowering and far less 
judgmental. It works, also. If you wish to attend A.A. go right ahead. 
Please extend me the courtesy of my selecting my own equally effective 
program, one that I can ethically and intellectually agree with.
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