-=> Quoting Dennis Martin to Jim Casto <=-
 DM> You'd better check under the more comon name of "Mission Indians," or 
 DM> "Deguenio Indians."  I'm sure that you're aware of the slowness of a
 DM> dominant  society recognize and honor the traditions of the "losers" in
 DM> a war.   
 
 But any books I am probably likely to find would still be under the more
 common name/subject regardless of how the "dominant society" changes. It's
 human nature to use terms with which one is most comfortable. If I knew a
 book had originally been written in French, I wouldn't go searching for it
 using French words, I'd use English and expect/hope to be able to read a
 _translation_ which in reality is someon's opinion/interprtation. (If I was
 a French speaker, however, the situation might be different.)
 
 Besides, if the book was written before the "dominant society" changes, it
 would still carry the "old" (but incorrect) name. I don't forsee rewriting
 and republishing ALL the books.
 BTW, most of the tribes around here continue to use their more common name
 even though it may _technically_ be incorrect. In some cases we can't even
 communicate the _real_ names given the limitations of ASCII text. Also, if
 I had given you a probably more correct name for the two bands of Coosans
 (aka Kusan), you would still be looking. (Hanis and Miluk). And at least one
 of my references refers to the Hopi as the Moqui.
 
 BTW, I always thought it interesting that nowadays it is preferable by some
 that we call Native Americans by their more "correct" traditional tribal
 names whilst continuing to calling Europeans: French, German, English, etc.
 instead of by their more "correct" name of Ostrogoth, Visigoths, 
urgundians,
 Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc. or that we need to use the "Roman" alphabet
 instead of syllabaries or pictographs. Wouldn't it be interesting if the
 Japanese insisted that we all called them by their traditional name or
 insisted that we use hiragana or katakana? It's called "ease of
 communication".
 DM> I had a history professor one time go to England to study their side
 DM> of the  American Revolution.  He finally found the information he
 DM> wanted after he was  instrcted to look under the heading of "North
 DM> American Colonies: Revolution."  This of course was at Oxford
 DM> University. 
 
 Sounds reasonable to me. Actually, if I was in England I probably would have
 _started_ with "Colonies, American".
 DM> That's what they are teaching.  They are trying to teach the young
 DM> people who  are Kumeyyai, about their history, not what is taught in
 DM> the schools, about  them.
 
 They are teaching this in the local, public schools, or just tribal schools?
 If public schools, that is happening around here, also. BTW, if the Kumeyyai
 kids are NOT exposed to what the "mainstream culture" teaches about them,
 they are in for "sticker shock" when they reach the public school sytem.
 
 DM> It's easier to be philosophical on a full stomach.  
 
 I suppose you could look at it that way.
 DM> However, I don't think you'd rather be living on the streets in a rain
 DM> or  snowstorm, rather than living in a warm house, with food to eat at
 DM> your  pleasure.  
 
 But I suspect that I could avoid doing that _without_ moving to SoCal. By
 the same token, a trip to the Transit Mall in downtown Portland will reveal
 a significant number of people that choose NOT to move to a warmer, more
 hospitable climate for whatever reason.
 DM> My dad felt the same way that you do, yet he moved from Oregon in
 DM> 1955, so  that he could work and provide for his family.   One of his
 DM> "Oregon Values" as he used to say.  
 
 Oh, like I might have said elsewhere, I did too. In 1958. And for ten years
 I struggled to find a way out. And I finally did. Now, it would take an 
wful
 lot to get me to move back there. None of my four kids, BTW, have ever had a
 desire to move to SoCal no matter how badly they needed a job up here. (And
 three of them are native Californians. )
 Jim
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