07 Oct 15 18:18, you wrote to me:

 WV>>> But you don't need it. Basically you can ask the OS what the
 WV>>> localtime is and what the gmtime is. The difference is what you need
 WV>>> for the TZUTC kludge. At least that is what Golded does. I haven't
 WV>>> set it on either my windows or linux setup, yet the TZUTC is
 WV>>> calculated perfectly!

 ml>> interesting... but that's only one program and one running on a
 ml>> system that has that capability, right?

 WV> Right. Linux and Windows have that capability.

correct...

 WV> And we were talking about the TZUTC kludge in messages from Janis,

we were?? i've been talking about TZUTC control lines /in general/... maurice
just pointed out that the one in use from janis' system isn't right for her
system's location... i'm pretty sure it isn't the only one, either...
especially on those systems where it is a manual thing to be adjusted...

 WV> who uses BBBS on Linux. So BBBS should be able to use that. I don't
 WV> know if it does, but if it does, something goes wrong. ;)

i don't know how her BBBS implements it... she might have done it herself with
some additional scripting if BBBS doesn't do it out of the box... it may also
be that kim heino went with the TZUTC environment variable instead of some
automatic calculation...

 ml>> how does one calculate TZUTC on a pure DOS machine? how about OS/2?

 WV> I don't know anything about OS/2. For DOS, the golded manual has an
 WV> example:

 WV>         USETZUTC   (yes)

 WV>             Activates usage of TZUTC kludge in your messages. You should
 WV>             properly setup timezone information in your OS. For example,
 WV>             in DOS you should set environment variable TZ to something
 WV>             like this:

 WV>               TZ=MSK-3MSD,M3.5.0/02:00,M10.5.0/03:00

 WV>             This line valid for Moscow, Russia.

ahhh... so they are doing the same as my tools and determining it from the TZ
variable... in my case, i made it easier by also creating DSTSTART and DSTSTOP
so that i don't have to try to parse the TZ variable... especially since my
chosen language(s) don't do that C tm_rec thing... even moreso since i
replicated C's tm_rec stuff in one of my chosen languages... that was all way
back in at least 1995... it took a while due to real time long term testing to
try to ensure that everything was working properly ;)

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