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to: JIM HOLSONBACK
from: WAYNE CHIRNSIDE
date: 2006-10-29 21:05:00
subject: Re: A question

-=> JIM HOLSONBACK wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 -=> On 10-29-06 11:54 WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to ALL <=-

 -=> GEORGE POPE wrote to ED HULETT <=-

 GP> On (29 Oct 06) Ed Hulett wrote to George Pope...
 EH>  WC>> What are we still doing in Iraq.
 EH>
 EH>  GP> Protecting/securing "American oil interests"!
 EH>
 EH> Since we get the majority of our foreign oil from Venezuela, how
 EH> exactly are we "protecting/securing our oil interests in Iraq?

 GP> You might have noted mine was a quote ("American oil
interests") and
 GP> rather asked who said such. . .

 GP> Obviously you've forgotten that it was your Congress who used that term
 GP> WRT being in Iraq!

 WC> Ed of course is once again wrong here.

 WC> Even during the tough economic sanctions designed to contain Saddam
 WC> Hussein's Iraq the U.S. was getting 37 percent of its domestic
 WC> oil needs from Iraq though it was purchased from foreign
 WC> vendors and not American oil companies.

 JH> Cite, please.  Your claim of 37% appears to be FALSE and _way_ off.

After YEARS of providing credible cites for such I've given up
on that which is a wasted effort when addressing the willfuly ignorant.

My last such efforts concerned Iraq's mythical WMD.

 WC> Of course with Republicans it's sound bite over substance.

 JH> Please furnish some substance to support your above false factoid bite.

Dude.
Yestedays news.
Get over it.

 JH> Here's one cite, for starters, which shows you to be incorrect - -
 JH> from Oil Industry Statistics from Gibson Consulting at
 JH> www.gravemag.com/oil.html
 JH> About 3/4 down the page, see where it says -

 JH> "NOTE ON IMPORTS FROM IRAQ:
 JH> "U.S. oil imports from Iraq have fluctuated greatly over the past 15
 JH> years.  In 1990, imports from Iraq accounted for about 6.4% of our
 JH> imports.  From 1991 to 1996, due to sanctions, Iraq provided NO exports
 JH> to the US. 

Dude, your cite concerns *direct* imports not those from foreign vendors
originating in Iraq.
not having researched that I'm inclined to take your word for it.
Hey, what the hell I'm getting senile and feeling generous anyway
having seen the last presidential address and having a good laugh at that.
I'm also quite tired.

 In 1999 (average 6.7%) 2000 (5.4%) 2001 (6.7%) and 2002
 JH> (3.9%) yes, less than four percent).  Amounts varied a lot from month
 JH> to month.  More data at Energy Info. Administration" 

 JH> See just below there for a map with data dated November 2005, showing
 JH> Iraq at 5% of US oil imports. Note also that these are percents of US
 JH> imports, not percents of our domestic oil needs.

Dude, wake up dude.
... I don't recall voting Elmer Fudd for President.
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