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to: FRED AUSTIN
from: IVY IVERSON
date: 1998-01-21 23:26:00
subject: [1/2] Genuine?

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-=> On 01-18-98  00:21, Fred Austin said to Ivy Iverson,<=-
-=>"About Genuine?...,"<=-
-=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Fred Austin <=-
 
 FA> Hi Ivy,
 
Hi, Fred;
 
 II> ... Remember,
 II> those markings strongly resembled the word "VIDEO"! I'm sure some
 II> enterpraneur will come up with the idea of tradmarking their product
 II> with the Mars "face." EGADS!
 FA> No doubt, there will always be attempts at bogus alien artifacts, I
 FA> think we just had a bout, didn't we, a Roswell fragment etc.. Yes
 FA> the word video was right in your face.  Though many people tried to
 FA> argue it was coincidence. Don't think so.
 
Anything is possible... but it would have been more convincing if they
had turned it upside down.   :-}
 
 FA> As for telling genuine
 FA> from fake, that could be difficult unless there is something about
 FA> the properties of the material in question that is beyond our means
 FA> to construct, and that is left up to the scrutiny of physicists
 FA> etc....
 
There was one strange thing mentioned by the alleged eye witnesses about
that beam: It had very light weight... (a couple of ounces?)  From the
sound of it, it weighed less than aluminum, titanium or any other metals
or alloys, more like balsa wood, yet it had great strength.  And then
there was "foil," that could be easily wadded up, and "unwadded" itself
without so much as a wrinkle.  That almost sounds like some of the modern
plastics... 50 years later.   Hmmm...
 
 II> What makes anyone think that something from "somewhere else" would
 II> HAVE to be made from elements besides these which are already known to
 II> to us?
 FA> Correct, there is no definite must that an article stand out and
 FA> scream I am alien, my composition is of no element you have seen on
 FA> your planet. But depending on the article, it's design, or use, etc,
 FA> it may stand out. Thats all there is to it. A piece of metal, etc,
 FA> for example which could be of alien origin, for the sake of argument,
 FA> fell off a UFO, may not be anything different element wise than say
 FA> titanium steel. Who would notice. Most likely no one, unless of
 FA> course it came through your roof, and there was an investigation
 FA> etc...
 
"No, it was a piece that fell off a high-flying airplane." (U.S.A.F.) ,-}
 
 II> Granted, there have been rumors for several years of a heavier
 II> element, (115?) used in UFO propulsion systems, and I recently heard
 II> that theoretically there should be such a super-heavy element that
 II> should be stable, which the known heavy elements are not.
 FA> Yes, Mr. Lazar.
 
I also hearsd it from another source as well... some particle physist or
some such.  I just know it was independant of Bob Lazar.
 
 FA> I would point out though his credibility is not
 FA> very high, in theory all things could be possible, but let us just
 FA> say, that it is currently doubtful that element 115 could exist or
 FA> does exist.
 
Could exist?  Possible.  Does exist, (natural OR made by technology)?
I wouldn't disregard the possability.  Who knows what comes out of a star
going super-Nova?  Or is there a limit to the size of a black hole...
what happens/is produced when one of them blows up or whatever happens
if/when they can no longer remain blask holes... if they ever end?
For that matter, by definition, NOTHING escapes a B.H., but jets of
material do escape out the poles... Could these jets contain super-
heavy elements?  These are questions that we can only theorize the
answers to... for now.  But in 1,000 years?  Or another technology?
 
 FA> These elements may of course be found in the universe
 FA> under some conditions, but who can say for certain until we are out
 FA> there.... 
 II> possible that another science - another technology - has discovered a
 II> way to manufacture this heavy element in sufficent quantities for such
 II> an application, and I also consider the POSSABILITY that such an
 II> element MIGHT be usable for powering a craft which has performance like
 II> UFOs are allegedly capable of.
 FA> 
 FA> Certainly. As much as man would like to believe he is where
 FA> everything begins and ends, I feel that it may not be so.
 
Those among us who are educated KNOW that we are not, and never were,
"the center of the universe!"  That was the view up until the dark ages,
but the invention of the telescope allowed it to be disproved.  (The
Catholic Church took a few hundred years to accept the fact).
 
 FA> We are in
 FA> our infancy so to speak, or teen years, we like to believe we
 FA> know everything, our can explain everything. Perhaps not.
 
Certainly, we do NOT know and cannot explain "everything."  AAMOF, every
time we answer one question it raises several more questions.
 
 FA> Since we
 FA> exist, and are now aware of space and its possibilities, it should be
 FA> obvious to many that there is a good chance that others may
 FA> exist, maybe just like us with some deviations.
 
I'm convinced of it!  There may or may not be similarity in our genes,
(We share over 95% the same genetic material with the higher apes!)  Is
this coinsidence?  I think not.
 
 FAS> Since we reach for
 FA> space now, others like us may have reached for space millions of
 FA> years ago. Who can say for certain. No one. What was deemed
 FA> impossible 100 years ago is now fact.
 
Quite right!  Our technology is growing at an exponential rate, just
like the population, (and we need it to be able to feed those exploding
numbers with all the starvation, apparently being hastened by El Nino).
 
 FA> What will be in 1000, none can say. Will we reach the stars. I think
 
 >>> Continued to next message...
 
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