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echo: clipper
to: MARKUS WIEDERSTEIN
from: RON TUYNMAN
date: 1997-07-25 18:33:00
subject: Clipper - Windows ! What Tool is best ?18:33:2707/25/97

-=> Markus Wiederstein schreef op 17 Jul 97  02:50:45 aan All over Clipper -> 
Windows ! What Tool is best ?..<=-
 MW> i would like to start a small-talk for porting clipper apps
 MW> to windows.
 MW> I know there are different ways to do this and there are
 MW> lots of tools around.
 MW> - Clip4Win
 MW> - FiveWin
 MW> - Alaska X-Base++ (OS/2 and Windows 95/NT)
 MW> - CLWINDOW
 MW> - VisualObjects (i liked the ASPEN working title)
 MW> Is there any clipperhead around who can show me
 MW> the right way .... 
 ..Really and truely 'porting' is not possible in my opinion.
 Visual objects accepts Clipper-syntax, but that's all. If you've used
 3th party LIB's, you'll gonna have a problem.
 Even with Clip4Win and FiveWin (but then: I looked very brief at
 them) you'll still need to make some adaptions to the
 Windows-environment. Menu's etc. need to get 'redesigned'.
 For me I stepped to Delphi. But that's hell to pay! Not I step I
 would recommend to any Clipper-adept.
 The smooth handling of databases is really HELL in Delphi.
 For example, a line like:
   dbname->var := value
 equals in delphi to a complete 'story' like:
   formName.tableName.FieldByName('var').AsString := value;
 And then there's a big chance Delphi will not accept the value
 because of the immense amount of different variable-types.
 Or a simple:
    date1 - date2
 to get the number of days between two dates requires a complete
 function with coding and decoding of the dates involved...
 var ++   ?
 var --   ?
 var *= var2 ?
 No Way Jose!
 But is delphi JUST hell to pay?
 NO!
 Creating a browse is a sheer delight!
 Creating a fancy looking screen is a sheer joy!
 Timers a implicated in the blink of an eye and programming based on
 'events' gives you acces to unsuspected possibilities.
 But frankly: despite of all my critics on Clipper, it's still a verry
 efficient language with a very nice and compact syntax.
 I'm still struggeling in Delphi, but I'm getting pretty homesick to
 that comfortable Clipper.
 A mix of Delphi's interface and Clippers syntax would be heaven on
 earth to me!
 Cu,
 Ron
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